Comments (72)

Michael A wrote on January 23, 2008 9:31 AM:

I hope that they are warming up chairs at the Hague for these war criminals. All the death and destruction. For what????? It would have been nice if the senators read the gd NIE or the media did its freaking job. There should be accountablity for this fiasco.

Anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 9:42 AM:

So...
This only mattered when, in the old deays, we had folks in Washington who cared about this nation and the desire to uphold the rule of law and follow the dictates of the Constitution.

People seem to forget that this no longer applies to us. After all, everyone is equal, but the PIGS are more equal.... common folks will continue to pay consequences, but in countries such as ours where democracies fail, those at the top get to choose which laws apply to them... and lying to congress/the common folk, although explained in the federalist papers, no longer has any meaning or value in our present nation...

"WE the People" have decided we, for some insane reason, needed crooks and scroundrels (our Republican and Democrat parties) to lead and guide us. We are now just beginning to feel the results of our self centerdness and greed and fears and irresponsibilities.

It's going to be a slippery slope down to the bottom, folks,,, IMHO

johnnydoughey wrote on January 23, 2008 9:42 AM:

So...
This only mattered when, in the old deays, we had folks in Washington who cared about this nation and the desire to uphold the rule of law and follow the dictates of the Constitution.

People seem to forget that this no longer applies to us. After all, everyone is equal, but the PIGS are more equal.... common folks will continue to pay consequences, but in countries such as ours where democracies fail, those at the top get to choose which laws apply to them... and lying to congress/the common folk, although explained in the federalist papers, no longer has any meaning or value in our present nation...

"WE the People" have decided we, for some insane reason, needed crooks and scroundrels (our Republican and Democrat parties) to lead and guide us. We are now just beginning to feel the results of our self centerdness and greed and fears and irresponsibilities.

It's going to be a slippery slope down to the bottom, folks,,, IMHO

TheraP wrote on January 23, 2008 9:47 AM:

Just like the Iran NIE, bush will disavow this too.... more lies in the offing!

I especially like the graph. March of 2003, month of most lies. (an average of 3+/day)

Maybe someone will do such graphs for other lies. DoJ. Torture. Missing emails. There are so many possibilities.

AnyDem wrote on January 23, 2008 9:48 AM:

I would just like to thank Clinton (and Edwards) for going along with the lies and voting for this war. Although you have to at least give Edwards a little credit for apologizing...

Can't wait to see Rummy, Bushy and Cheney with their fat asses sizzling on the grill at the Hague.

tony wrote on January 23, 2008 9:49 AM:

see them in hell.

loki wrote on January 23, 2008 9:51 AM:

"And I think to myself...what a wonderful world."

danger wrote on January 23, 2008 9:52 AM:

"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.

Blame everybody but yourselves! Blame MI5, Sismi, the ISI, Mossad, the coalition of the willing whom you mislead.... institutionalized pathologic lying.

Will Wexler and Conyers finally start impeachment hearings for the love of christ??

anon wrote on January 23, 2008 9:53 AM:

The wingnut reaction to this project will be blessing the Sadlyno boys for years!

RepubAnon wrote on January 23, 2008 9:54 AM:

In fact, the French and German governments opposed Colin Powell's 2nd UN resolution because their intelligence agencies said the WMD stories were false.

Does this make White House Spokesman Scott Stanzel's statement yet one more lie for the total?

Jan wrote on January 23, 2008 9:55 AM:

I know I am not alone in expressing my outrage. Hopefully, something serious comes about because of this.

Obviously, this is an impeachable offense.
Obviously, the Bush Republicans in Congress don't care.
Obviously, it is now a necessity to our democracy get rid of the Bush Republicans in Congress in 2008.

Then, joyously, a trip to the Hague for all the Loyal Bushies for their disloyalty to:
~ the world community
~ our Founders
~ last but definitely not least (much as Bush thinks so) We the People of the United Staes of America.

Bush Republicans will NEVER turn against their immoral god.
Time to turn the traitors in for war crimes.

ghost boy wrote on January 23, 2008 9:56 AM:

The Hague for these crooks would be a fine thing, though we all know that it will not happen.

I think, though, that we are all jumping to hang this lot, but on reflection, I think that there is probably not an administration since WWII that would not have been hanged if subjected to Nuremberg type trials, both Democrat and Republican.

I want a Barak Obama White House, to try and assuage this type of politics, but think that there are two little things which will stop him doing what is really necessary. those are the republicans in the house and the republicans in the senate.

Dr Zoom wrote on January 23, 2008 10:01 AM:

Sorry, folks. This will have to wait until Congress finishes investigating whether Roger Clemens and Chuck Knoblauch took steroids ...

Anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 10:02 AM:

They do the deed because nobody in the one party system that we have will do nothing to stop them. Therefore, they are able to run amok under the deception of war where needless of innocent lives are lost and famlies torn apart for what GREED. In the words of Dr King "NO LIE CAN LIVE FOREVER"

Anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 10:04 AM:

NO LIE CAN LIVE FOREVER!

danger wrote on January 23, 2008 10:05 AM:

Dr Zoom - If Bud Selig really wants to take the heat off of baseball in the interim, he and the players union should come out in favor of impeachment. Not that it would ever happen, though it would be hilarious.

anon wrote on January 23, 2008 10:05 AM:

The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world

Which is why everyone joined us in the invasion.

Josh-Quasimoto wrote on January 23, 2008 10:08 AM:

If I yell "fire" in a crowded room, isn't that a crime?

It just seems to be if we can penalize baseball players for lying about their statements about steroids then our public officials are ripe for a congressional and judicial inquiry. Obviuosly to all those regular TPM readers this type of information just confirms what we already thought, "that the BUsh administration is the most secretive, manipulative, no-integrity, cronyistic, blow-hard, war-mongering, and unintellectual administration in my short 30 years of life! But obviuosly they have wonderful lawyers such as Addington who love to play the game!

Gotta Go, Stay solid!

muldoon wrote on January 23, 2008 10:08 AM:

The Dem leadership says they don't have enough horses to round up the scoundrels, and further, that any attempt to bring them to justice will distract from more important business on the table. Something really smells here.

The Conservative Deflator wrote on January 23, 2008 10:10 AM:

This material should be Exhibit A in the impeachment trials of Richard Bruce Cheney and George Walker Bush.

M. Stratas wrote on January 23, 2008 10:15 AM:

Bush, Cheney, Rice and all the officials knew they were lying and did not care that they were lying because they could. The American people are like sheep. At that time, they were gung-ho in kicking ass just because 911 happened and they wanted revenge. Bush etal took advantage and decided to attack and invade a country that had nothing to do with 911. Were we stupid? yes. And we are paying a high price.

TheraP wrote on January 23, 2008 10:18 AM:

Addington + Lies = Subtractington!

ALABAMA wrote on January 23, 2008 10:18 AM:

THANK GOD FOR THE CENTER THAT COUNTED THE LIES. JUST REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE MORE LIES TO COUNT WHAT ABOUT THE LIES ON TORTURE? WHAT ABOUT THE LIES ABOUT FISA? WHAT ABOUT THE LIES ABOUT THE EMAILS? WHAT ABOUT THE LIES ABOUT POOR OLD SIBEL EDMONDS? WHAT ABOUT THE LIES ON THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE? WHAT ABOUT THE LIES ABOUT IRAN? BY THE TIME ALL THE LIES ARE COUNTED IT WILL BE OVER A THOUSAND BY MR BUSH ALONE. CAN WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW OUR PRESIDENT AND HIS TEAM TO LIE TO US AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. THEIR LIES HAVE COST US TRILLIONS OF AMERICAN DOLLAR AND AMERICAN LIVES ALL FOR THEM AND THEIR FRIENDS TO PROFIT . THEY ARE MAKING TRILLIONS ON PRIVATE MILITARY CONTRACTORS TAKE BACK AMERICA WRITE YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN TODAY AND TELL THEM YOU DEMAND IMPEACHMENT IF OUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR ANYTHING IT STANDS FOR THE FACT THAT WE AS CITIZENS EXPECT OUR LEADERS TO TELL THE TRUTH EACH AND EVERY DAY. TODAY SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER INSTEAD OF ALLOWING POWER TO MAKE UP THE TRUTH DEMAND IMPEACHMENT OR OUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR NOTHING. YOURS TRUELY AMERICAN REBEL

Pastor Doodah wrote on January 23, 2008 10:19 AM:

Two Gold Stars, a round of drinks and a Get Out Of Guantanmo Free card are hereby awarded.

Very good work.

Richard in Jax wrote on January 23, 2008 10:26 AM:

"""The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said """
The study needs to updated....to one more lie.

Official A wrote on January 23, 2008 10:32 AM:

Jan wrote on January 23, 2008 9:55 AM:
Obviously, this is an impeachable offense.
Obviously, the Bush Republicans in Congress don't care.

The Democratic "leadership" in Congress obviously don't care, either. Their motto, apparently: Truth is off the table.

Hank Essay wrote on January 23, 2008 10:33 AM:

In a sane world, of course, this would effectively end the all-war-all-the-time candidacy of John McCain.

Instead, I am sure this study will be spun as "good news for John McCain."

Official A wrote on January 23, 2008 10:34 AM:

"The American people are like sheep"

An insult to sheep everywhere. Even sheep resist the slaughter.

Official A wrote on January 23, 2008 10:40 AM:

"In a sane world..."

In a sane world, somebody would give a shit. Now, about that next round of Ameican Idol...or presidential primaries...I get so confused...which is it?

markg8 wrote on January 23, 2008 10:40 AM:

It'd be nice if they'd catalogue all the lies about Iraq by every incumbent Repub still running for office this year. Sure it'd be a nightmare but going forward it'd be a big help for our challengers.

grytpype wrote on January 23, 2008 10:42 AM:

Didn't someone do this already, like three years ago? I think Rep. Conyers put out a report tallying up the lies. And some grad student did something on it.

theWalrus wrote on January 23, 2008 10:43 AM:

Impeachment, anyone?

Oh, I forgot..Reid and Pelosi and Conyers and Waxman want to show they are bipartisan.

Mel8830061 wrote on January 23, 2008 10:46 AM:

And it took the Center this long to realize that Bush and co. lied to the American people in order to go into Iraq?

gtash wrote on January 23, 2008 10:51 AM:

It's sad really.

Bush, et al, will say : "we miss-spoke".

"Intelligence services around the world agreed with us at the time."

"We presented the evidence as best we knew it."

"It's time to move on. We have to get past this for the good of the country".

"How-ever we got here, it's our mess now and it's out job to clean it up. Do you want more instability in the region? Let's concentrate on the task at hand. There will be time for finger-pointing later."

"I took an oath to defend this country to the best of my ability. That is what I did. Did I do it well? Let history be the judge."

As night follows day, every one of these defenses will continue to be trotted out as a way to poke us in the eye. 935 times? You got nothin'.

I can hear it now.

heh wrote on January 23, 2008 10:51 AM:

add to that obstruction of justice in the disappearance of 4 or 5 MILLION emails around the time Cheney was having his little pow wow with now "dead Enron's kenny boy Lay?

somebody please, for the sake of the rule of law convince mrs. Pelosi that those ARE sufficient grounds to remove this caustic administration even in its last days.

Slippery Slope wrote on January 23, 2008 11:09 AM:

theWalrus, it seems bipartisan today means you are on both sides of the Constitutional isle.

You know, if you take one view of the Constitution (like adherence) you have to also consider the opposing view to be equally “Fair and Balanced”.

It’s quite simple and very democratic.

For example, at a look at Telecom Immunity in the FISA bill now percolating back up. We must be bipartisan in saving the asses of those who broke the law and stomped on constitutional rights.

It’s only fair. Right!! ???

Just because all but one (Qwest) disregarded their high paid attorneys and did what our “government” requested doesn’t mean they should be accountable for it.

TheraP wrote on January 23, 2008 11:11 AM:

Mel (etc) @ 10:46:

No, it took them this long to chase down every statement, check it, tabulate, and do the graphs etc.

They have a huge searchable database on this as well.

I hope they're doing the same for other lies.

Melissa King wrote on January 23, 2008 11:13 AM:

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) chronicled Bush et al lying and published it back in March 2004.

http://oversight.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf

Now, if our reps and senators would just do something!

anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 11:23 AM:

The database is barely functional,
but my quick attempts to search it suggest that they did *not* include any of Bush's frequent lies/misstatements that "Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in."

I believe Bush has tossed that line out as recently as the last year or two. Obviously, given that we had to airlift the UN Inspectors out of Iraq before we began bombing, it wasn't true. To be charitable to Bush, of course, he *could* be claiming that Saddam didn't "fully and unreservedly" let the inspectors in with
total & complete access, but I think it's safe to label his statements on this topic as lies.

Anyhow, I am hoping you all might be able to confirm whether those statements are included, and if not, why not.

Transcendental Floss wrote on January 23, 2008 11:41 AM:

muldoon wrote on January 23, 2008 10:08 AM:

"The Dem leadership says they don't have enough horses to round up the scoundrels, and further, that any attempt to bring them to justice will distract from more important business on the table. Something really smells here."

It could be argued, yes, that there's more important business right now, actually. There's a very important election in November that is by NO means in the bag for the Democrats.

The Democrats needed to pursue impeachment and other processes to bring the Bush administration to justice, with relentless persistence, YEARS ago. Their non-stop whining about not having enough support has been a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they'd started the process and refused to give up on it, they would have rallied support by shining a constant spotlight on the Bush administration's wrongdoings.

The Democrats have been and still are pathetic, so criminally pathetic that I can see a McCain presidency in our future.

buckheaddad wrote on January 23, 2008 11:44 AM:

The only appropriate action for "The Senior Bush", would be to hand him a copy of this information.

NOW, U & I KNOW THAT THE PRESS IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD NEVER CONFRONT THESE POOR EXCUSES FOR HUMAN BEINGS (WHOM WE CALL
"HONORABLE").

There are no words to describe this situation.

Dr Zoom wrote on January 23, 2008 11:48 AM:

Melissa - where are your priorities for God's sake. Don't you realize that Mr. Waxman and his staff have far more important things on their plate right now? We've GOT to get to the bottom of this whole Knoblauch steroid thing ASAP.

Sheesh.

tom wrote on January 23, 2008 11:52 AM:

If Bud Selig really wants to take the heat off of baseball in the interim, he and the players union should come out in favor of impeachment. Not that it would ever happen, though it would be hilarious.

Donald Fehr will do whatever Bud Selig refuses to do. So that will be either Selig or Fehr in favor of impeachment. I don't know which would be worse. :p

Just a little levity to go with the fact that (a) this situation exists and (b) nobody will do anything about it. There will be no impeachment, no Hague, no nothing. No matter what is said here, those pushing for impeachment have been so marginalized (10% self-inflicted wounds, 90% Powers That Be) that necessary action is basically impossible to achieve. Really: we all *knew* Bush et al were lying to us. Now we have the actual number. This changes nothing.

[sigh]

tom wrote on January 23, 2008 11:53 AM:

What, no html tags here? Sorry for my newbieness. I was meaning to quote Danger at 10:05 -- which would make for a great mystery novel title, incidentally.

pseudonymous in nc wrote on January 23, 2008 11:54 AM:

I would like it very much if Roger Clemens showed up for that hearing, and said one thing:

'Thank you, Chairman Waxman: why the f&ck aren't you impeaching the president and vice president? Last time I checked, baseball hadn't killed too many people.'

And then left. Since Congress can't bring itself to hold BushCo minions in contempt, it's time to treat it with contempt.

Impeaching Bush in the House takes a simple majority vote: Pelosi could get it done tomorrow if she had the guts.

Louis wrote on January 23, 2008 11:58 AM:

It's important to acknowledge that Congressman Henry Waxman has for several years had an online searchable database, "Iraq on the Record," which catalogues administration lies.

tom wrote on January 23, 2008 11:59 AM:

By the way: CNN's above-the-scroll news items? Heath Ledger (RIP) on the left-hand headline, and the following list on the right --

Report: 5 million have died in Congo conflict [legit, important]

CNNMoney: Rate cut fails to halt stock slide [also legit]

KVVU: Driver cleared in teen's disappearance [whaaa?]

Dobbs: Our leaders have squandered our wealth [legitish, just a pinch of news]

Egypt 'opening up' to Palestinians [legit]

Ticker: Edwards' hair under siege on Letterman [umm....]

Martin: Don't forget white voters in S.C. primary [OK, we won't]

Illegal racing reaching 'ridiculous' levels [nice word choice there]

WABC: Human bones found in Greenwich Village [uhh....]

ATV pins man face-down in snow for 4 days [why? why, God?]

Wife's angry voicemail becomes Internet hit [ditto]

Texas town wants to be UFO landing spot [ibid]

Cat stows away in luggage, flies to Dallas [for f---'s sake]

Do you need a style consultant? [no, but thanks!]

Sasquatchy image spotted in Mars picture [sasquatchy? is that even a word?]

-----

I weep for zee future.

Anonymous wrote on January 23, 2008 12:00 PM:

I sent this to a GOP friend, one of the 28% who think Bush is OK.
His reaction? "Better fightin' them over there than over here".

La plus ca change...

timd wrote on January 23, 2008 12:02 PM:

The NYT covers this story with the following headline:
"An Online Scavenger Hunt on Prewar Claims: What Did You Find?"

I can't find even a mention of it in The LA Times.
Are any major media outlets covering this at all seriously?

Louis wrote on January 23, 2008 12:05 PM:

Here's the URL to Henry Waxman's searchable database that catalogues administration lies. http://oversight.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/

Mary wrote on January 23, 2008 12:10 PM:

I wonder if the "everybody else thought they had WMD" is the excuse for Hillary.

It also makes me wonder with all of the distortions coming out of the Clinton Campaign, if we are really not in store for 4 more years of the same "truth logic" from yet another Clinton Administration.

The Clintons certainly have a way of misrepresenting the "truth" so far.

Dr Zoom wrote on January 23, 2008 12:13 PM:

pseudonymous in nc - I like your style! Rusty Hardin, Lanny Breuer - you out there listening?

Dee Illuminati wrote on January 23, 2008 12:20 PM:

You mean to tell me that they found no weapons of mass destruction and that the same folks in charge of Afghanastan did not also run Iraq?

Email me the facts, I don't believe it!

RandyR wrote on January 23, 2008 12:22 PM:

Put this in context with the latest agreement with Iraq that will provide for US military security for Iraq in exchange for contracts for US oil companys, for 10 years. Who pays, US taxpayers, who dies,US citizens, and who benefits, oil companys, why because the president and vice president are oilmen and they take care of their own.

Bush said that he would make it necessary for the US to stay involved in Iraq for at least the next ten years. That means your 9 year old may die in Iraq. Stop this now. When I wrote my democratic representive and regiional whip Emmanual Cleaver about impeaching Cheney and Bush he replied "what's the point"? The point is that these fools are ruining the country to line the pockets of their friends.

East-West wrote on January 23, 2008 12:27 PM:

Come on, everybody. Lighten up. It was all the CIA's fault. George & Co. had to believe the intelligence, didn't they? And all that so-called "intelligence" that said Saddam was NOT a threat? Bogus. Never Happened.

davcbr wrote on January 23, 2008 12:30 PM:

' His reaction? "Better fightin' them over there than over here". '

You might pass on to your friend that on top of the dying soldiers, funding for police depts is drasticly down to pay for this fiasco. The result is that our citizens are ultimately suffering under this notion.

twirling fartknocker wrote on January 23, 2008 12:36 PM:

Continually lost amongst the outrage over the lies is the $700 million BushCo secretly diverted from Afghanistan to prep for the coming war in Iraq in 2002. That was unauthorized by Congress and therefore illegal.

As far as I am aware, it is the first impeachable crime of this administration. Yet, when it came to light, everyone just shrugged their shoulders and it barely gets mentioned any more.

Just found this as a refresher for anyone not sure of what I speak: http://www.davidsirota.com/2004/04/primer-why-bush-secretly-moving-700.html

John Clavis wrote on January 23, 2008 12:48 PM:

These are the Bush people we're talking about -- right-wing authoritarian sociopaths.

That number -- 935 -- isn't a scarlet letter for them... it's a red badge of courage. Remember, many of the people who participated in the Brooks Brothers Riot now boast about it when interviewing for partisan right-wing positions.

Munguza wrote on January 23, 2008 1:09 PM:

Next we need a similar public accounting of all the Mainstream Corporate Media sleazebags who promoted these lies in real time --from Judith Miller to Rush Limbaugh to Charles Krauthammer...

Ethan wrote on January 23, 2008 1:24 PM:

Pretty unbelievable when you think that 935 is just a handful of people.

Imagine extending the study to:

- The entire GOP caucus
- Fox News
- GOP Pundits

DrZoom, I loled your 10am post. Funny shit. Chuck Knobloch is a very important guy. Never know what kind of weight he carries in Congress. Doesn't matter that he got paid millions of dollars to throw a ball 90 feet and he COULDNT DO IT.

Slaid Cleaves wrote on January 23, 2008 1:27 PM:

"There has never been a just one, never an honorable one - on the part of the instigator of the war. I can see a million years ahead, and this rule will never change in so many as half a dozen instances. The loud little handful - as usual - will shout for the war. The pulpit will - warily and cautiously - object - at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and here is no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers - as earlier - but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." -Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger 1910

Cynical Jim wrote on January 23, 2008 1:28 PM:

Can we impeach them now?

Ethan wrote on January 23, 2008 1:30 PM:

Btw, gotta love CSPAN.

Everyone should go watch the video on this very topic (or click on it to open the vid and then close the window if you can't watch):

Center for Public Integrity Report Card on Iraq
The Center for Public Integrity Executive Director Bill Buzenberg and its founder Chuck Lewis unveil the first comprehensive analysis of pre-Iraq rhetoric that chronologically tracks top Bush administration officials' Iraq-related public pronouncements.
1/23/2008: WASHINGTON, DC: 35 min.

www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,

ironically you can find it on the page below V.P. Cheney speech on the FISA Act Amendments...

Please at least click on the CPI vid, thank you.

Charles wrote on January 23, 2008 2:00 PM:

Did anyone bother checking how many times the Clinton administration referrred to Saddam as: threat, supporter of terror; wmd; etc.

That would at least provide some context.

To all of you people foaming at the mouth - its probably a sign of mental illness...

xrey wrote on January 23, 2008 2:02 PM:

Whew. Good thing it was only 935.

If it had been *936*, that would be grounds for impeachment for sure.

tj wrote on January 23, 2008 2:49 PM:

does kucinich's drive to impeach fürer bush still sound crazy?

Eli wrote on January 23, 2008 3:12 PM:

Anyone else get a laugh at how the right basically tries to say that now of what was said was a lie?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2008/01/23/nyt-remarkable-new-left-wing-database-shows-bush-lied-us-war

Paulie wrote on January 23, 2008 6:41 PM:

The Downing Street Memo proves that this war is a criminal act perpetrated by the executive branch of our government.

Paulie wrote on January 23, 2008 8:41 PM:

Eli, it is amusing but also very sad. I know several people who still claim that we actually found the WMD's. There is simply no convincing some people that the war is fraudulent. I have to shake my head at this ignorance.

Petronius wrote on January 23, 2008 9:03 PM:

So, what is to be done? Congress won't do it. If you believe that any of the viable presidential candidates will have the chance to do anything about it you haven't looked at their funding. And...it ain't gonna be taken up by The Hague.

Me, I'm retreating into the Great North Woods; but what about those of you with youth, children, and a stake in political honesty, freedom, and other needs to hope for the future?

Good luck in your Jack Welch world.

Roberta wrote on January 23, 2008 10:56 PM:

I just watched the C-Span bit with Chuck Lewis, founder of the Center for Public Integrity.

He took questions after his statement.

NOW the press is skeptical.

Carthage wrote on January 23, 2008 11:12 PM:

Great comment about the NIE! Where is the press, talking about Mrs. Clinton's "experience" without pointing out that she could not be bothered to read the 94-page NIE, while knowing that no staffer had clearance to read it. Where is Sen. Graham on this issue - he fought so hard to give the santors access. I BET that Sen. Clintons DID read the polls that day.... Past performance IS an indication of future returns, in this case. Experience we can surely miss. Judgement?!