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Hmmmmmm wrote on April 6, 2007 9:01 AM:

But does the Onion... I mean New York Sun care in its endorsement of this turkey for president?

SteinL wrote on April 6, 2007 9:03 AM:

"Oh, the humiliation!"

I don't think Cheney will register this. He's off in his own alternate universe and just visiting down here where the rest of us live.
In fact, he couldn't care less. He'll bend any truth and twist every lie until he gets what he wants, which is as far removed from democracy and checks and balances as you can get.
And he's willing to die trying.

NedBalzer wrote on April 6, 2007 9:07 AM:

Unfortunately this lie wasn't thrown back in Cheney's face -- it was thrown in our faces instead. WaPo needs to have pointed out that what they are reporting contradicts what Cheney is still saying.

zk0sm0 wrote on April 6, 2007 9:08 AM:

and the true-belieiving kool-aid mustached 23% will continue to eat up every last piece of corn cheney defecates on their plates for them.

Punchy wrote on April 6, 2007 9:09 AM:

The guy's pathologically incapable of admitting a mistake. I challenge JMM or the commenters--find me ANYTHING that shows Cheney apologizing and/or admitting to a false statement or ascertation. For anything, anywhere, anytime.

Cant be done. The guy is simply NEVER wrong.

Cautious Man wrote on April 6, 2007 9:13 AM:

I guess you guys have a winner for that "Find the Most Outrageous Cheney Quote" contest you announced a couple of weeks ago.

Cheney himself is the clear winner.

Sagrilarus wrote on April 6, 2007 9:14 AM:

Us little people are just too dumb to handle these complicated things. Dick knows what's best -- let him fix everything for us.

vox clamantis in red state wrote on April 6, 2007 9:20 AM:

Cheney does not have the guts to die trying. Without the illusion of power, he is nothing, nada.
Out him now, and these asses he rides on.

Rich wrote on April 6, 2007 9:23 AM:

I don't know what's worse, that Cheney lies without a conscience or that 20% of the population still actually believes him.

anonymous wrote on April 6, 2007 9:37 AM:

So, when exactly does the media start pointing out that Cheney's comments are at odds with reality?

I don't think it's reasonable to expect that the casual newspaper reader is going through recently declassified documents, and then comparing those documents' findings to the Vice-President's statements.

Really, shouldn't the press be giving people all the relevant facts in a news story? Is that too much to ask of professional journalists? That when Cheney says something contrary to fact, that they give their readers the actual facts?

Legalize wrote on April 6, 2007 9:40 AM:

So? Cheney's been made a liar a hundred times over. He'll still be on Wolf Blitzer's show spouting off more lies, and no one will call him on it - again and again.

Code: "good," as in "Cheney is not"

Gadfly wrote on April 6, 2007 9:40 AM:

Please do not forget the audience that Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove, Gonzales, et. al. now target:-- the Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, FAUX (Fox) "News" [sic] crowd. In other words, these cynical neo-con Bushies know that their audience have a collective I.Q. below 75 and fit the following profile:

..."Adults in the bottom 5% of the IQ distribution (below 75) are very difficult to train and are not competitive for any occupation on the basis of ability. Serious problems in training low-IQ military recruits during World War II led Congress to ban enlistment from the lowest 10% (below 80) of the population, and no civilian occupation in modern economies routinely recruits its workers from that below-80 range. Current military enlistment standards exclude any individual whose IQ is below about 85."...

Ergo, those sub-normal neo-con Bushies are not only unfit to fight in their own illegal & immoral wars, but they want- they desperately want to believe what are obviously lies, deceptions & falsehoods.

Bush is an imbecilic buffoon-cum-swaggering traitor... Cheney is a criminal-cum-pathological liar... Rice is a shallow clothes horse-cum-corporate-owned-lap-dog... Rove is a cynical crook-cum-neo-fascist... Gonzales is Bush's private consigliere... In short, they should all be impeached.

For until they are impeached, we might as well prepare ourselves for more of the same- the same nauseating neo-orwellian Bu**sh**!

Doubleyow wrote on April 6, 2007 9:43 AM:

Fascinating ... like a film of a train wreck that repeats itself over and over, with more detail and destruction every time.

We all know where Cheney works (when he's willing to disclose his location), but what about Feith? Isn't he out in the world somewhere, misleading the next generation of policymakers? Is he getting paid to do so? Do their parents know he's doing it? Are his students asking the right questions?

my too sense wrote on April 6, 2007 9:44 AM:

You know all the msm headlines I see are favorable to Cheney...."Cheney reaserts Al qaida Hussein link", "Cheney sticking to his guns". WTF is wrong with the media. These headlines by now should be screaming "Surprise Cheney lies again about al qaida Hussein ties" "Cheney is a LIAR" (I could think of much stronger language here but it wouldn't be headline worthy with the msm) He's lying and no one in the media is calling his falsehoods what they really are. No one is calling what he is doing, what he is really doing...which is lying. The media (again) misses the Big LIe and even more important story here...they are so concerned with providing "he said she said" reporting they fail to see or even actually report the Big Picture and bigger story...that Our VPOTUS is Still lying to the American people. ARrrggh.

security code..neck as in I'd like to wring the corporate owned media's neck for failing to report the truth here. The vp is a lying piece of.....

TheraP wrote on April 6, 2007 9:44 AM:

Just try talking out of one side of your mouth, like cheney. See if it doesn't involve a kind of snarly, lying nastiness!

The man has poison in his veins (and no, that's not the word!)

It's a nice word - but doesn't belong in the same box with cheney.

Plutodog wrote on April 6, 2007 9:54 AM:

Cheny is an incorrigible, determined liar who does it for the propaganda value, for his own purposes and he will not be disciplined. He can only be impeached and he'll go down lying.

Tom Hilton wrote on April 6, 2007 9:57 AM:

Not "a prime chance to kill Zarqawi"--*three* prime chances to kill Zarqawi.

Code word: salt, as in that (of the earth) which Cheney is not.

Austin Cooper wrote on April 6, 2007 9:58 AM:

CHENEY (Che - knee)[Amer.Eng.; Prop.Name, Improp.Noun.] 1) Richard M. Cheney, corporate oil executive and appointed vice-president of the United States; 2) To shoot someone in the face as a result of poor planning and impared judgement ("Pulling a Cheney"); 3) A sociopath.

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budfox wrote on April 6, 2007 9:59 AM:

It is so obvious that the MSM (WaPo, CNN,NBC,ABC NYT etc.) are

perhaps the prime enabling component of the Oligarchy we now

find ourselves subservient to.

The trashing of Pelosi, the veneration of Cheney, show what we

can expect in the 2008 election.

GeorgetteOrwell wrote on April 6, 2007 9:59 AM:

As some "journalists" have been known to say, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

DougAdams wrote on April 6, 2007 10:04 AM:

This is as close as the WaPo gets to face-flinging: "Zarqawi, whom Cheney depicted yesterday as an agent of al-Qaeda in Iraq before the war, was not then an al-Qaeda member but was the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al-Qaeda adherents, according to several intelligence analysts. He publicly allied himself with al-Qaeda in early 2004, after the U.S. invasion."

Snowden wrote on April 6, 2007 10:06 AM:

I keep asking myself, does Cheney really believe this stuff? Is he just a deluded regular person? Or, is he so diabolical that he keeps saying the same things despite facts to the contrary - just to fan the flames in the hearts of some last true believers? (Making "Ha-ha gna" sounds in his brain) I'm baffled.

davcbr wrote on April 6, 2007 10:07 AM:

Remember the chants: "Get out of Dick Cheney's House" ??? Can't wait for '08.

dc

Tim wrote on April 6, 2007 10:09 AM:

Cheney told a bald faced, premeditated, calculated lie in his debate with John Edwards on television.

He lied. Pure and simple.

That means, he's a liar. Every time they post his name, then his title, they should throw in the fact that he's a well documented liar.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce to you, Vice President and proven and widely known Liar, Dick Cheney.

Dick Cheney, Liar, Vice President.

A leapard never changes his spots.

Dick Cheney is a liar.

Dick Cheney was a liar four years ago, and four years before that and he'll be a liar four years from now.

News reports should be including this information with every piece and every mention of Dick Cheney, noted liar.

beep52 wrote on April 6, 2007 10:15 AM:

Cheney is nothing but one of the more extreme voices of the right's propaganda machine. Every time he says something, he knows it's going to get coverage, and while someone else may be debunking it, the refutation usually gets less coverage than the lie. We should not be surprised or outraged that he continues to lie. That's his job and whether he believes it or not is immaterial. The only thing that matters is that increasing numbers of people understand what he's doing.

George wrote on April 6, 2007 10:15 AM:

Not only is Cheney a liar, he is a traitor, pure and simple. Impeach, impeach, impeach.

JW1141 wrote on April 6, 2007 10:17 AM:

They know they can lie with impunity, even Orrin Hatch is getting in on it, lying on Meet the Press about Carol Lamm

Unmitigated Audacity wrote on April 6, 2007 10:20 AM:

Tim, he should be identified as "The President of Vice", which effectively covers all his sins.

SC: lock, as in lock him up.

jack linthicum wrote on April 6, 2007 10:25 AM:

By some coincidence Feith has a book "The Best Defense: Inside the Pentagon at the Dawn of the War on Terror", scheduled to be released in April 2007

klyde wrote on April 6, 2007 10:30 AM:

Run DICK Run!

Cheney/Gingrich 08

DBH wrote on April 6, 2007 10:45 AM:

I'm sure that Rush published this information in order to be fair and balanced...

Joe wrote on April 6, 2007 10:47 AM:

Cheney is a neo-con and their religion states that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Cheney and his minions know that the lackey Corporate Mainstream Media will not contradict his lies and even if they do once and a while, he’ll keep telling the same lie over and over again and they will give up. Only once Cheney is out of office and no longer newsworthy will the majority of the American people get the truth. Unfortunately part of the truth they will get is that the Corporate Mainstream Media were complicit in the misleading of the American people.

Mary wrote on April 6, 2007 10:48 AM:

In the immortal words of Lynne Cheney, "This is NOT a good man."
May Cheney go down in the annals of American history as the biggest pathological liar in office, and may his supporters carry the deaths of American soldiers on their consciences for the rest of their lives. Jesus wept.

Raoul Paste wrote on April 6, 2007 10:49 AM:

beep52 above- 'the refutation gets less coverage than the lie..'

And its completely calculated- these are bad people.

mwb970 wrote on April 6, 2007 10:55 AM:

I thought the "Cheney Sticks To His Guns" headline was kind of funny, on a couple of levels.

John Clavis wrote on April 6, 2007 11:01 AM:

Cheney isn't saying this stuff because he's stupid or delusional. He's saying it because repetition of lies is how those lies become truthy factoids in the minds of all the authoritarian Republicanite idiots out there... of which there are clearly a great number.

If you're an atheist, you're already familiar with creationist and fundamentalist arguments, and how they are utterly baseless *but* emotionally compelling to someone ignorant of the facts and liable to be swayed by emotion. It's more or less the same thing with people like Rush Limbaugh: his listeners judge the truthiness of a piece of information based upon its propaganda value and how much it reinforces their existing prejudices (such as that liberals hate America). If something sounds right because it validates what they already believe, it is automatically pretty-much-right in every important way.

So you have nitwits turning the late Sen. Paul Wellstone's name into a verb meaning "to turn a funeral or sad occasion into a political rally", based upon lies and distortions. They still make fun of Al Gore's claim to be the inspiration for "Love Story", based on lies and distortions. Kate O'Beirne was on "Hardball" the other night, trying to defend the Swiftboaters, based on lies and distortions.

These people -- not all Republicans or conservatives, but a segment of them -- are zealots. They believe in considering their political adversaries to be THE ENEMY. And they will never stop the hatemongering and the lies, because, for them, it is inherently righteous.

You may as well ask a sidewalk preacher to be a little more agnostic.

Anonymous wrote on April 6, 2007 11:03 AM:

He feels no humiliation. He's just to arrogant to care. At least W claims that he talks to God. Cheney just listens to himself.... oh wait a min.... Did Jr. say what God looked like. Was he wearing a big shinny black thing on his head.

LongTom wrote on April 6, 2007 11:07 AM:

Actually, Cheney's refusal ever to admit a mistake or apologize is perhaps his only clever political tactic, one that Dems would do well to emulate.

Aside from that, of course, he is a destructive, cowardly, lying SOB who deserves 15 years to life in a Federal penitentiary.

Dan wrote on April 6, 2007 11:12 AM:

Not to overparse words, but:

" '...Iraq and al-Qaida did not cooperate in all categories' alleged by Feith's office."

Does that mean it didn't cooperate in any of the categories or that it merely didn't cooperate in all of them? I suspect it's the former, but as it's written the latter meaning is what's implied.

Dietmar wrote on April 6, 2007 11:20 AM:

The AP has a story that mentions the contradictions herein right in the lead, not that I have any hope for MSM or anything. See link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17975678/

Mitch wrote on April 6, 2007 11:31 AM:

Why doesn't anyone ever point out that before 9/11 Al Qaeda was operating in the US?

BinGA wrote on April 6, 2007 11:34 AM:

The AP has a story that mentions the contradictions herein right in the lead, not that I have any hope for MSM or anything. See link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17975678/

Posted by: Dietmar

The AP article is front page on AOL, too, which is a good thing. I don't know if you consider AOL MSM, but it reaches a bit different demographic than MSNBC.

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bottom viewer wrote on April 6, 2007 11:44 AM:

Cheney and his followers including Bush have a serious problem, is what I call the Wizard of Oz problem. When, not if, but the curtain is pulled away what will they have to believe in? There is nothing left. This collective psychosis is actually threaded back to post WWII and outlined in Simpson's book BLOWBACK. The neo-con's and their entire psychology is embedded in the propoganda created by the right-wing movement in the 1950's and perpetrated by pyschological skills perfected in Eastern Europe by the Nazi's.

It has grown to this point, neo-con American Patriotism without conscience or reality.

The forces of reality must surgically and thoroughly expose and remove each layer to fully discredit the belief system.

I admit I have a friend and a brother in-law who are psychologically a neo-cons. As I attempt to peel away they resort to all sorts of psychotic denials, attacks on other dilusions, metaphors, justifications, but getting down to the core, they actually believe in the concept that there is a threat to our values. What values...they never admit to and only call me naive. The value of imperialism, the value of superiority, the value of unaccountabilism in the name of neo-con patriotism. How much different is this to Milosovec's value system?

Dab wrote on April 6, 2007 12:24 PM:

Cheney called into the Rush Limbaugh show and said that Speaker Pelosi's trip showed bad behavior. Very interesting coming from a Vice President who told a Senator "FU" on the Senate floor.

This man has no conscience.

Mooser wrote on April 6, 2007 12:43 PM:

When will somebody, anybody, see that Cheney represents just as big, no, a much bigger danger to the US than John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy or Martin Luther King?

lestatdelc wrote on April 6, 2007 2:25 PM:

This is because the basis of the unitary war powers theory that Cheney has long held is that Bush can attack anywhere, anytime, without Congressional approval under the 2001 AUMF, which only specifies anyone involved with 9/11 or harboring same. So for Cheney, tying anything and everything to Al Qaeda gives them legal carte blanche to perform any military operation anywhere in the world (even domestically despite Posse Comitatus).

In fact no proof, evidence, approvial, nothing is required to be presented to anyone, anywhere, even Congress under the lanague of the 2001 AUMF. Read the actual langauge of that thing. Why do you think these guys are so arrogant about it all?

They literally have a legal blank check to use our military anyway it wants and not have to answer to ANYONE. Congress has fully ceded its war powers to the executive branch until such time it musters the balls to rescind the 2001 AUMF.

code word = please

Zappa wrote on April 6, 2007 2:30 PM:

When Cheney dies I intend to take a shit on his grave.

VietVet67 wrote on April 6, 2007 2:39 PM:

Has this idiot ever been right about anything?

Dr. Zaius wrote on April 6, 2007 3:01 PM:

It doesn't matter. Most of Rush's listeners think that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. They don't want to be informed, they want to keep thier world view intact. Cheney can say that Canada is planning to invade, and they'll believe it.

Barbara Tomlinson wrote on April 6, 2007 3:25 PM:

First of all, ALL MEMBERS OF THE U.S.ARMED FORCES EVERYWHERE, AT HOME AND ABROAD, MUST KNOW THESE FACTS -- KNOW FOR WHOM AND FOR WHAT THEY ARE REALLY SHEDDING THEIR BLOOD. It is up to US to break thru censorship and inform them -- thru their families, if that is what it takes.
Then, the soldiers must DO THE MOST COURAGEOUS THING, and REFUSE TO FIGHT -- REFUSE TO OBEY SUCH ORDERS.
Right now, the mis-Administration is using American "volunteers" to put a COVER on its use of MERCENARIES to fight, mercenaries who are far better armed, supplied, trained, and far, far, far better PAID. Without the "cover" of such an army, perhaps they could not sustain military operations using mercenaries only. American troops are being sacrificed so mercenaries can be hired and used in less-risky combat operations.

The Fool wrote on April 6, 2007 3:42 PM:

There are a lot of obstacles to Democratic success in the current ystem, but you wanna know the biggest obstacle of all?

IT'S THE LYING, STUPID

Andy Dabydeen wrote on April 6, 2007 4:15 PM:

Of course, whatever everyone here is failing to note is that to be humiliated, one has to actually acknowledge the fact that they were caught in the act of telling an untruth.

I believe that Cheney lacks that ability. It maybe something inane to most humans ... but then, there's Cheney, who continues to defy efforts to nail him down.

Edward L. Rhodes wrote on April 6, 2007 4:44 PM:

If all these snot nose kids ever had to do anything but run thier mouths and did something besides whine and gripe then maybe we could get them to Bagdad and use them for cannon fodder. good riddence to the Left cry babies.

Thoughts wrote on April 6, 2007 6:52 PM:

I keep thinking, no wonder his daughter is a lesbian.......can you imagine what your attitude would be towards men, if Cheney were your father?

Gosh, that musta been a hard road to travel. Now, they look and act like him, with a wig.
I wonder if he used mind control on them, as they grew up?

lion_demon wrote on April 6, 2007 7:54 PM:

Remember - Darth Cheney's heart medication leaves him impotent. No amount of Viagra or Cialis will rouse the dormant worm.

John Seed wrote on April 6, 2007 8:29 PM:

What Cheney is doing is committing fraud. As the Vice President of the United States he has a reponsibility to the American people to tell the truth and to act honorably and in the our best interests, not in his narrowly construed political best interests. Before he shoots off like a loose cannon he needs to check his facts. He is clearly making no effort to do so, and he should be called on the blatant fraud. Is it an impeachable offense? An error now and then is OK but warrants an apology. In his case, it is a systematized mthod of operating. In my view that comes under the ruberic of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

code "warm", as in warming to the idea of impeachment.

Mick wrote on April 6, 2007 8:41 PM:

Zaqarwi had NO interest whatever in being al Quaida's man in Iraq! When he was in Afghanistan he stayed away from Osama and did his own thing...wasn't impressed by Osama at all! His operations in Iraq were of his own doing and he was very much the 'Boss of Bosses'! Osama (at first a bit horrified by Zaqarwi's brutal methods)'appointed' Zaqarwi leader of al Quaida operations in Iraq without consulting him! Al Quaida is NOT running things in Iraq at all! Zaqarwis successors are...maybe not (they have been very very quiet in recent times...maybe they are 'taking the show on the road' (to a nighborhood near you!)

liberal wrote on April 6, 2007 9:54 PM:

Note to Dems: can we please impeach this war criminal now?

Nancy Irving wrote on April 7, 2007 4:32 AM:

You have to wonder if Leo Strauss had anyone like Cheney in mind when he forumlated his theory of the "noble lie."

gandhi wrote on April 7, 2007 7:57 AM:

There is another lie "rolled into" this Cheney narrative. It's the sentence which TPM has replaced with "..." and it reads like this:

"He's the guy who arranged the bombing of the Samarra Mosque that precipitated the sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni."

Yes, it's fair to say that the Samarra Mosque bombing was the tipping point that led to civil war. A brilliant piece of strategy from somebody. But not Al Zarqawi, of course. So who...???

Locals said US forces were unusually active in the area that night. Anyone who knew about Honduran death squads would know about playing your enemies off against one another.

Why would Cheney casually try to pin this major operation (the logistics were professionals) on Al Zarqawi? If he has hard evidence to the fact, why would he not have revealed it long ago? If not, why make up such a thing, unless he is trying to cover up his own involvement?

TinaO wrote on April 7, 2007 12:36 PM:

Don't give cheney more credit than he deserves., remember he screwed things up running Halliburtan. He's not too bright really, he just has the problem of believing his own bullshit, as in "the world really would be better off with me running it." The lying is just a consequence of this belief!

j n hell wrote on April 7, 2007 4:55 PM:

I mean 70% of U.S. citizens and a good 90% of the rest of the world KNOW without any doubts that the bush/cheney combo is not really imcompetent but out right crimals and pure unadultrated 100% evil. Yet this 70% majority in the U.S. cannot even muster the balls to smackdown both of these tools of Satan and impeach, indict and convict and imprison them. The only way I can come close to a reconcilement of this is that the corporate world's control is probably absolute.

tom cady wrote on April 8, 2007 7:29 AM:

salvaging history:
cheney will resign soon due to health
w’s hand picked veep will steamroll to the nomination
and, having avoided an expensive, devisive primary fratricide, the gop wins in ‘08
cheney’s gambit salvages w’s political heritage whereby dick is acclaimed a hero
and retires to a rent free dubai penthouse to write his memoirs
history happens

J Marra wrote on April 9, 2007 12:42 AM:

You know, I think I'm mistaken to call any of the 29 percenters "Bush supporters." I think they're all Cheney supporters. More like Cheney fans. Cheney visits them in person on Rush Limbaugh's show, too. Cheney isn't inaccessible to THEM.

Cheney is the only real strongman in the whole Bush Administration. Bush is shrinking by the day into a little chirping doll. But Cheney--now there's a rock. I saw a page on Free Republic entirely dedicated to Dick Cheney. That's where I saw his high-school photo.

tom wrote on April 12, 2007 4:48 AM:

To: Gadfly

Don't forget Rumsfeld...

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NH Dem wrote on April 16, 2007 10:46 AM:

Cheney's not lying.

The "the Administration planned 9/11 and no plane ever hit the Pentagon" folks aren't lying.

This guy I know who says the financial system has been unconstitutional since we went off the gold standard and stopped issuing silver certificates and catastrophe is looming if we don't go back isn't lying.

They are all so steeped in the marinades of their particular datasets that they are incapable of admitting into their consideration, incapable of considering as possibly true, anything that does not acknowledge up front the veracity of what they know to be true.

The Vice President of the United States of America is just a typical deluded conspiracy theorist, certain that he's apprehended a carefully hidden truth. He's no different from the basically intelligent crackpot old man living down the street from you or me. But with a vicious streak and a hell of a lot more power.

Lexie wrote on April 20, 2007 7:50 AM:

Clearly, Cheney, Gonzales, Bush, and all of them have decided to repeat their lies as people literally confront them with direct contradictions of the content of their lies. (In fact Gonzales was contradicting himself.) That was Gonzales' strategy yesterday: Just keep lying as the Senators point out that you are in fact lying. Cheney is more effective at it; but everyone is so afraid of Cheney that they won't point out that he is lying. (A woman reporter confronted Cheney a couple of years ago and he bit her head off.)

Bush is robotic and frequently incoherent, so we can't expect him to say anything truthful when he is engaged in his canned appearances. One wonders what he would say under oath in public with no hand holding from Cheney.

Nobody should be looking for Cheney to admit anything. He is insisting on this version of events, no matter how much evidence contradicts them. The question is, is he mentally ill or is he consciously and knowingly propagating lies to avoid the glaringly apparent lawbreaking of the administration, or is it both?

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