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Senator: Gonzales Was Set to "Gum This To Death"
While Alberto Gonzales is busy prepping for his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee in two weeks, here's a tough line of questioning that he can expect.
Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) has publicly accused Gonzales of lying to him in a conversation late last year about the appointment of Tim Griffin to be the U.S. Attorney in Little Rock. Gonzales, Pryor says, promised him that the administration would submit Griffin for Senate confirmation, while privately plotting to string Pryor along for the remainder of Bush's term, because Gonzales knew Griffin's chances at confirmation were hopeless. It was a strategy that his chief of staff Kyle Sampson outlined in a lengthy email only a couple of days after Pryor's conversation with Gonzales: armed with the newly won legal authority to indefinitely appoint U.S. attorneys, the administration didn't need its nominees approved by the Senate, so they could just "run out the clock." "I think we should gum this to death," Sampson wrote, and after rattling off a list of stalling tactics, added: "All of this should be done in 'good faith,' of course."
When Sampson testified last week, he only strengthened Pryor's accusation that Gonzales had been stringing him along, lying to him as part of the strategy to keep Griffin in office until the end of Bush's term.
Under questioning by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sampson admitted that he'd touted the "bad idea" of using the Patriot Act provision to circumvent the Senate. When Specter asked him whether he'd talked about it wtih Gonzales, Sampson answered, " I think I did, but I don't think he ever liked the idea very much." Sampson, oddly enough, couldn't describe just how Gonzales expressed this dislike during their conversations. But he did say, "I don't remember him specifically rejecting the idea until after he spoke with Senator Pryor in mid-December."
Let that sink in. Gonzales and Sampson had conversations about circumventing the Senate to install a former aide of Karl Rove as the U.S. attorney in Arkansas. Gonzales didn't reject the idea. And when it finally came time to implement the strategy when Griffin was appointed, Gonzales seemed to be reading from Kyle Sampson's playbook.
Indeed, Pryor has said that his conversation with Gonzales very closely tracked the strategy laid out by Sampson to the White House in a December 19 email. In a speech on the Senate floor, Pryor described the striking similarities between Sampson's Dec. 19th email and Gonzales' Dec. 15th phone call:
I could spend all day talking about this memo. But, basically, in here they say that the Attorney General is going to tell us, Senator [Blanche] Lincoln (D-AR) and me, about six or seven things, and they did every single one of them. This is the playbook. They say ask the Senators to give him a chance. Attorney General Gonzales did ask me that. Meet with him. He asked me to, and I did. Give him some time in office. He asked for that, even though usually people don't get a little test drive before they get appointed. He asked me--they wanted to delay, just run out the clock.At one point he said if I am not happy they will interview other candidates that I am interested in. They also mentioned for me to consider him and to look at him in a way that he is doing a good job.
Here, again, every single thing in this memo was done. Again, this is the playbook. This is why I feel lied to. The truth is, I was lied to because I was told that the Attorney General--and he not only said it to me, he said it to the Senate Judiciary Committee and he said it to the world--the Attorney General wanted a Senate-confirmed U.S. attorney in every slot. That is absolutely not true in Arkansas based on this e-mail from the Justice Department. I assure you when they put good faith in quotes that means they're not proceeding in good faith. They didn't proceed in good faith with me. And that's one of the reasons why I think Attorney General Gonzales should resign immediately. I don't think he has the credibility to run that department anymore.
Sampson's testimony -- that Gonzales did not specifically reject the idea until after this conversation with Pryor, most likely in "early January" -- certainly makes it sound a lot like Gonzales was fully onboard with Sampson's strategy.
When Gonzales testifies before the committee, he'll likely point to his private remarks to Pryor and later public statements pledging Senate confirmation for U.S. attorneys to prove that he always intended to submit Griffin and others for Senate confirmation. But remember that such public pledges were part of the strategy laid out in Sampson's email -- in fact, it was the centerpiece of the strategy. The senators will be sure to ask if such assurances were made in good faith or "good faith."
Comments (63)
TheraP wrote on April 3, 2007 1:28 PM:Security code is keep. And I say to TPM keep digging. And I will keep coming back!
Thanks TPM! Where would the country be without you?
Arkansan wrote on April 3, 2007 1:33 PM:Tim Griffin was interviewed on the local NPR station after the scandal broke, but before it had gained Big MO. Griffin portrayed himself as bitter about the controversy. Griffin attributed his decision not to submit his name for confirmation on Senator Pryor, who, according to Griffin, had made a political circus of the appointment (or words to that effect). It was very clear in the interview that Griffin had every intention of serving as Interim USA for the next two years. Judging from the way things are moving, Griffin was correct in that assumption.
Gonzales and Rove must still be scratching their collective head about Pryor‘s contribution to their problems. It has been understood from the start that Pryor is their man. Shoot, Pryor can still be counted on when the chips are down, he even came through for them again last week on the war funding bill.
All he needed was a little respect. Instead, they took him for granted. He was trained well, if they tossed him a bone and said sit, he’d have sat.
donviti wrote on April 3, 2007 1:33 PM:"Let that sink in"
i don't want anything more to sink in at this point. I'm numb already...
thank god for blogs is all I can say. Someone has to keep people honest.
Node of Evil wrote on April 3, 2007 1:34 PM:Good faith... The Administration has banked on that for the last six years as part of their strategy. For instance, they think that in "good faith" we'd never defund the Iraq occupation, or that our "good faith" would prevent asking tough questions after the midterms. Didn't Bush himself offer something of an olive branch to Congress? That was a "good faith" measure, too, and quite frankly they aren't interested at all in "good faith". They'd like "good faith" to prevail, to just put all that partisan junk that happened during the Republican-controlled Congress out of mind and get on with "good faith". That time has come to an end -- if they want "good faith", they'll have to prove that they're worthy of it.
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 1:35 PM:And if they had half a brain, they would nominate people NOW to replace those put in "interim" positions and make it look like they were telling the truth. Of course that would require having somebody in mind and vetted - which I doubt they do since they had NO intention of ever nominating anyone.
The only good thing about their incompetence is that it will almost certainly carry through to the end of the cover-up and resignation/impeachment.
pre-amerikkkan wrote on April 3, 2007 1:38 PM:what's the old saw:
"Sure you can trust the gov't, just ask an Indian."
we've *been* numb, time to wake up, ennit?
ocdemocrat wrote on April 3, 2007 1:42 PM:Well then. If Gonzo says they were going to get Senate confirmation, let the confirmations begin, IMMEDIATELY!
This is such a simple answer to this underhanded, corrupt procedure of using the Patriot Act for partisan politics.
Lets now set up the schedule for the confirmations. If King George and Gonzo are loyal to the constitution, the confirmations will be held with FULL White House cooperation,
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 1:42 PM:If King George and Gonzo are loyal to their party first, they will not allow the confirmations and claim presidential privilage and the use of a provision in the Patriot Act to replace USA's at his(George thru his boy GONZO) will. This provision was intended for USAs killed during time of war when the need for IMMEDIATE replacements is paramount. Not to get rid of USAs because they weren't "Loyal Bushies"!
Once the AG resigns, and a new one needs confirmation, the Dems should insist on certain things: Griffin gone and a Special Prosecutor appointed.
vmckimmey wrote on April 3, 2007 1:53 PM:How many USA's are now serving without Senate confirmation? Have their records been looked at?
Mo wrote on April 3, 2007 1:55 PM:I know withdrew his name and that the Senate voted to repeal that provision in the Patriot Act, but is Griffin not still serving as Interim US Attorney? Does he continue to serve until the White House gets around to nominating someone else? Is the "gumming" strategy effectively still playing out? Has anyone seen any discussion of what's expected to happen in ED Arkansas?
Peachy Carnahan wrote on April 3, 2007 1:56 PM:It might go a long way if Tim Griffin was replaced this week. Every friggin day he stays "interim" it is de facto proof of "bad faith". someone needs to add this to the Schumer's talking points
david s wrote on April 3, 2007 1:56 PM:So will Griffin ever be put up for confirmation???
puzzled wrote on April 3, 2007 1:57 PM:I'm still confused about Griffin's status. Is there no recourse at this time for removing him? Is he interim USA for the duration (2yrs) because he was appointed under the Patriots Act provision before it was voted out last week?
knowsthe truth wrote on April 3, 2007 1:58 PM:it isn't only the unconfirmed ones that we need to worry about - remember that the GOP ran the senate until 11/06 and they were able to put through whoever they wanted with enough push from the AG and a pliable home state crowd
Punchy wrote on April 3, 2007 2:04 PM:I still cannot wrap my head around the idea that Orin Hatch is being floated as the replacement AG. Talk about vomit-inducing. I guess they could go full-bore and let Pat Roberts be his deputy and Coburn and Inhofe as his assistants....
security word "chin"...
Citizen 92 wrote on April 3, 2007 2:08 PM:Did anyone notice that Betty Dickey is now being floated for Senate confirmation the US Attorney slot that Griffin currently occupies?
Dickey ran for attorney general of Arkansas in 1998. She lost to Pryor. But it was Tim Griffin that ran her campaign.
I think there's an additional layer of bad faith going on here. Not only was Prior being paid lip service by Gonzales and Sampson, he was also being forced to accept an appointment of Griffin, who I would hazard may still be carrying a grudge from the 1998 loss.
Opposition researchers like Griffin have long memories - and longer grudges.
vox clamantis in red state wrote on April 3, 2007 2:10 PM:How about Congress cutting off funding to the "Justice Dept?"
vox clamantis in red state wrote on April 3, 2007 2:10 PM:Would that be not supporting a pack of lying dissemblers?
Fine and dandy.
How about Congress cutting off funding to the "Justice Dept?"
Patrick (G) wrote on April 3, 2007 2:14 PM:Would that be not supporting a pack of lying dissemblers?
Fine and dandy.
There's a term seemingly made for that sort of "Good Faith": Contempt of Congress.
Is asking for Gonzalez's resignation is really a strong enough response to the administration's Contempt of Congress ?
Or are Congress's "Inherent contempt" procedures more appropriate (not used in over 70 years, per wikipedia) ?
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 2:20 PM:..."Griffin portrayed himself as bitter about the controversy. Griffin attributed his decision not to submit his name for confirmation on Senator Pryor, who, according to Griffin, had made a political circus of the appointment"...
Another ding. Either Griffin was harboring a grudge against Pryor for Griffin's AG campaign loss in 1998, or Griffin was worried that Pryor might have some reason to publicly object to his nomination.
I think there really is a 1998 Arkansas Attorney General Campaign angle with Griffin and Pryor that has yet gone unsaid.
brianm0122 wrote on April 3, 2007 2:22 PM:Isn't that called purjury? And isn't encouraging purjury (as Sampson apparently did) called subou rning purjury, a crime in itself?
moe99 wrote on April 3, 2007 2:24 PM:why is Griffin still US Atty for the E. District of Arkansas? Doesn't simple decency require him to step down? Oh.
Hmmmmmm wrote on April 3, 2007 2:29 PM:Great security code: Smell. Something smells, that's for sure.
Now they are upgrading the strategy one level, and trying to gum THIS issue to death. Meanwhile, Griffith is still there every day. Another individual to impeach. The list is getting pretty long. Maybe Griffith could testify before Congress as to what he is doing down in Arkansas.
Hmmmmmm wrote on April 3, 2007 2:31 PM:Oh, yeah, my original purpose was to talk about the coup d'etat. If the Dems cannot force Gonzalez out, the junta has won.
twc wrote on April 3, 2007 2:34 PM:Guess Sampson cracked up the "vehicle" on the first "test drive," since Congress has already repealed the AG-appointment provision by an overwhelming margin. And he lost his job.
Arkansan wrote on April 3, 2007 2:50 PM:But, as Sen. Whitehouse asked last week, why does Monica Goodling still have her job after invoking the Fifth Amendment to shield herself from potential criminal liability for actions she took in her official capacity?
I, for one, don't much appreciate paying my taxes (this week) to go into the pockets of public officials who commit crimes.
Possible alternative nominees. Frying pan-meet fire. FYI, Boozman is the only official Republican in the Arkansas congressional delegation, so the submissions supposedly originate from his office.
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/03/griffin_replacements.aspx#comments
The personal grudge match between Griffin/Pryor match explains quite a bit. If Pryor had any pride he’d start acting independently of the WH after this major slap, but there isn’t any chance of that happening.
Disgusted wrote on April 3, 2007 3:05 PM:What about the DOJ/Gonzales and U.S. Attny Johnny Sutton in Texas COVER-UP of the teen sex scandal???
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54861
"The U.S. attorney's office in Texas actually prepared indictments in this case....but when word came from WASHINGTON, that's when....declining prosecution."
You see this all was occurring at the same time Gov. Perry was up for re-election in 2006.
Karl Rove and Gonzales and Sutton decided to look the other way.
Are those underage boys at the West Texas State School still being awakened in the middle of the night by known criminals who are the administrators.....for sex with them?
Talk about OUTRAGE! Talk about SHOCKING! Talk about CRIMINAL!
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 3:17 PM:Griffin is still sitting in Little Rock because the investigation started by Cummins, envolving MO Gov Roy Blunt and corruption is still on the books and that is not a can of worm that the REPs want opened. He'll stay until the last dog is hung, the Blunt cover-up must be protected at all costs.
Chuck Chuckerson wrote on April 3, 2007 3:20 PM:Is there emails from Gonzales as well?
BinGA wrote on April 3, 2007 3:23 PM:Does he approve the strategy suggested by Sampson?
"How many USA's are now serving without Senate confirmation? Have their records been looked at?
Posted by: vmckimmey"
How about this boo-boo reported by buzzflash:
"A judge ruled Wednesday that an epic blunder by federal prosecutors in the largest tax prosecution ever means that the treasury can't recoup at least $100 million in restitution.
[snip]
"The case was prosecuted by the office of the interim U.S. Attorney for D.C., Jeffrey A. Taylor. Taylor was appointed directly by Attorney General Gonzales without Senate confirmation in November 2006 under a provision of the Patriot Act that Congress has recently voted to reverse."
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/215
I think they should all have their names submitted for confirmation immediately.
Robin L. Boerner wrote on April 3, 2007 3:25 PM:Code=crush
How many USA's are now serving without Senate confirmation? Have their records been looked at?
Posted by: vmckimmey
Date: April 3, 2007 01:53 PM
This list is from e pluribus. The interesting one is Alaska's Nelson Cohen. He was appointed over Sen. Ted Stevens objections just days before the FBI raided his son Ben Stevens Alaska State Legislative offices. Corporate Crime Reporter has a great article on it. It is also interesting that Cohen was appointed on August 22, 2006 and then on September 13, 2006 Kyle Sampson in an email to Monica Goodling lists Alaska as a state without a USA. Three weeks after putting in Cohen. Did he know he was merely a temp? Why? What was he put here to DO or NOT DO and what was his prize if he did his Whitehouse handlers bidding? Why is Cohen's name off the testimony list so far. I would bet there is a great story here.
I admit I only follow Cohen so closely because he is refusing to investigate a Civil Rights violation by the US Army on my fiance. The others I don't have time to follow. I must be upsetting someone though...I have a few government sponsored trolls that follow me around. Including here at TPM.
14 U.S. Attorneys Serving without being Presidentially Appointed*
ALASKA - Nelson P. Cohen
ARIZONA - Daniel G. Knauss
ARKANSAS, EASTERN - Tim Griffin
CALIFORNIA, CENTRAL - George S. Cardona
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA - Jeffrey A. Taylor
ILLINOIS, SOUTHERN - Randy G. Massey
IOWA, NORTHERN - Matt M. Dummermuth
MAINE - Paula D. Silsby
MISSOURI, WESTERN - Bradley J. Schlozman
NEBRASKA - Joe W. Stecher
TENNESSEE, EASTERN - James R. Dedrick
TENNESSEE, MIDDLE Craig S. Morford
WASHINGTON, WESTERN - Jeffrey C. Sullivan
WEST VIRGINIA, SOUTHERN - Charles T. Miller
* compiled from the Department of Justice's list of U.S. Attorneys
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2007/2/14/113121/438
elrapierwit wrote on April 3, 2007 3:29 PM:OK,
I think Congress has the authority to demand that Griffin VACATE the office of US Atty in ARK and they need to act on that.
While the provision placed no limited on the length that a person could serve as 'interim' US Atty, it also did not place any restrictions on Congress confirming another US ATTy
At this time, the Senate should confirm an appointee that Pryor recommends OR they should make the ASST AG who was on maternity leave the INTERIM.
Either way, the individual who is serving as INTERIM needs to be changed. Boot smart ass Griffin OUT.
This entire 'good faith' scenario leaves such an awfully bad stain over the entire justice department.
What we have here is a case of 'abusing trust' that is what 'good faith' means. It is predicating on folks trusting them to act in good faith.
The Bush WH has made it criminal to trust people in positions of authority to act on their word. They piss on goodwill and trust, they see that as a weakness to be exploited for their despicable acts of BAD faith.
Robin L. Boerner wrote on April 3, 2007 3:37 PM:Anyone that wants a good laugh at a government troll check this link out:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002599.php
The last commments. This idiot can't even figure out he is spamming himself. And, based on the IP address from his identical emails...he could very well be one of the objects of John's federal lawsuit. A guy with an active security clearance in a US Army Command. Your tax dollars at work folks.
I fixed the typo in the link at my name.
BinGA wrote on April 3, 2007 3:37 PM:"At this time, the Senate should confirm an appointee that Pryor recommends OR they should make the ASST AG who was on maternity leave the INTERIM." Posted by: elrapierwit
I think that under the old law, an interim served for 120 days. If not consented to by the Senate and formally appointed by then, the head judge for the district gets to appoint.
I don't know what effect the repeal of 502 had - if the old provisions now come back into play. If you looked at all of the document dumps, one of the reasons being repeatedly talked about for changing the appointment provision was that DoJ didn't want judges to have this power - they wanted the AG to have it. However, having a judge have this power was rarely if ever a probelm for DoJ. But that was their story in the document dump and I guess they are sticking to it.
code=credit
R.Severn wrote on April 3, 2007 3:40 PM:There is a clear and effective way of getting the truth from Gonzolas, Rove, Meiers, et al. (at least according to our administration):
1. The patriot act allows our governtment to grab anyone off the street and label them an enemy combatent without proof.
2. The Bush camp (including Gonzolas if I'm not mistaken), condones the use of torture to extract information.
Seems to me the problem just solves itself on this one...just a modest proposal.
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 5:12 PM:Relying on Mr. Sampson for even half the truth in a two-sided conversation would make less than half sense. He has a direct conflict of interest between his and his supporters' interests and Mr Gonzales'. The primary purpose of his testimony was to get himself off any hook, then to obfuscate, then put the heat on Gonzales.
Gonazleas is the designated fall guy for whatever is takng place at DOJ. He has NO background in criminal law and was in thrall to Libby and Addington while at the WH. In part, I suspect, because he was savvy enough to know that Cheney, not Bush made key decisions, but that it was in everyone's interest to pretend that was not so. I think Gonzales was expected to remain in their thrall while at DOJ, permitting them to do things that even Ashcroft would have refused to do.
Kimberly wrote on April 3, 2007 5:15 PM:In an October 17, 2004, New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush:
"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
This is exactly what they are doing now. They are running out the clock on the already appointed interium US Attorneys. While we are studying what they did, they are busily creating new barricades to investigation.
Until, and unless we clean house they are free to create their new realities.
RBW wrote on April 3, 2007 5:32 PM:Is there any aggregation of USA's who have been put in place without Senate confirmation? It seems there are a number of them who have not been talked about.
peacebug wrote on April 3, 2007 5:41 PM:it's not just tim griffin who is drawing a taxpayer-backed government paycheck, I note that kyle sampson and monica goodling are STILL EMPLOYED AT JUSTICE!!
where's the outrage?
RBW wrote on April 3, 2007 5:45 PM:Sorry I didn't read all the comments before posting.
Lynne wrote on April 3, 2007 6:29 PM:If Griffin is still employed by DOJ he lied to the Senate. In his testimony he said that he is no longer on the DOJ payroll.
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 6:41 PM:lynne, to answer: none of these liars has left the payroll.
go to http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/are/usa.html to see for yourself. I quote: "In December 2006 Tim Griffing was named U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas."
you'll note they aren't even calling him "interim," even though that's how the WH & AGAG describe him.
code word - sound - as in the alarm!
Kay wrote on April 3, 2007 6:47 PM:I have been waiting long for someone to use that phrase--"gum this to death" oh, my, God--what a Democratic "taling point". There's your "shred of evidence," Orrin. What else could it mean? Keep your eye on the prize people: Purgegate is nothing less than a bothched attempt to rig the United States Judical Process! Hell, probably the whole damn United States government--where havent they screwed up? "Gum this to death" No, no, no people . . . INVESTIGATE TO DEATH.
Kim McCall wrote on April 3, 2007 7:16 PM:My code word is good: Good to be an American
Did anyone notice that Sampson used the term "good faith" in his recent congressional testimony. I wish some Senator had called him on his duplicity.
Anonymous wrote on April 3, 2007 7:50 PM:Congress has no authority to demand the resignation of any of the 14 odd "interim" USA appointments. Current law allows the AG to appoint them without Senate confirmation. Until that law is repealed, Congress can has been neutered by Specter and his aide.
anomyous wrote on April 3, 2007 9:30 PM:Tennessee REPUBLICAN Senators sent three names to DOJ & the WH in December. They have been fully vetted and the WH questioned the Republican loyalty of at least one person. The Senators made their recommendation of the number 1 person and the WH is still sitting on the nomination. Meanwhile one TN federal district has had an "interim" USA since October and another district has had an "interim" for over a year.
Even DOJ officials (McNulty, I think) told Congress not to worry, they had 7 to 9 nominations ready to be submitted.
It sounds like "gumming up the works" [of justice], in addition to "gumming it to death."
Security code: debt (as in they'll owe a large debt to the trusting American public.)
Oilwellian wrote on April 4, 2007 1:23 AM:I bet Karl has been gumming a lot of things lately. My code word is "front" as in the Bush administration is a "front" for the Texas mafia.
ewastud wrote on April 4, 2007 4:00 AM:From what I read in an article by Greg Palast, Tim Griffin may very well be guilty of violations of the Civil Rights Act for his actions as a political operative trying to suppress the African-American vote during a past election or two. Let's get on with an indictment and prosecution of this political turd and professional liar!
chuckles wrote on April 4, 2007 9:16 AM:Send that Mexican back to Taco Bell.
Too much when you are inadequate at your day job, but when you can't discern your old responsibilities as DW's attorney and stand up with some spine as the AG of this great nation, perhaps even Taco Bell is too much to ask. Monkey-Boy has sure sorounded himself with a solid group of public servants...chuckle chuckle
paul wrote on April 4, 2007 9:33 AM:What is it about republican attorneys general that they so often seem to find themselves committing federal crimes?
pudge wrote on April 4, 2007 6:12 PM:This article has a glaring factual error. It says that Pryor claimed Gonzales "promised" to bring him before the Senate for confirmation, when Pryor claimed no such thing. He claimed Gonzales said he *planned* to do so, which is not a binding commitment. A *promise* would have been such a binding commitment.
That does not exonerate Gonzales, since -- as you point out -- there is apparently evidence that they did NOT plan to bring him before the Senate. And that is what Pryor is upset about. Not that a proimse to bring him was broken, but that the statement that he planned to do it was apparently untrue at the time.
Please correct the article; thank you.
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