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Gonzales Aide to Senate Staff: Nothing to See Here

By Paul Kiel - March 23, 2007, 1:30PM

In the runup to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in January, Gonzales' chief of staff Kyle Sampson lied to committee staff in order to convince them that Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) "was wrong" to raise questions about the U.S. attorney firings.

The email was produced yesterday by Sen. Feinstein and demonstrates that the Justice Department did not turn over all documents relevant to the firings to Congress earlier this week, since the email was not among the 3000 pages.

In the email, which is an exchange between Sampson and committee staff, Sampson provided a series of bullet points of "the inaccuracies that Sen. Feinstein continues to put out there." They were:

- USAs were encouraged to resign "before their terms expired" -- not true;
- USAs were encouraged to resign "without cause" - no comment (but not true);

- USAs were pushed out so as to interfere with ongoing public corruption cases -- absolutely not true;

- Administration intends to go around the Senate and avoid confirmation of new USAs -- not true/facts conclusively establish as much

"None of these assertions is in any way accurate," Sampson wrote.

In fact, the U.S. attorneys were not told the reason for their firing when they were forced to resign. And although it's extremely debatable what the true cause of the firings was, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty testified under oath that U.S. Attorney for Little Rock Bud Cummins had been forced to resign without cause, and the Justice Department has still not produced any reason for Cummins' firing other than to install Karl Rove's former aide, Timothy Griffin in his place.

And there's clear evidence that the administration planned to "go around the Senate and avoid confirmation" of Griffin. Less than a month before writing this email, Sampson wrote to a lawyer in the White House counsel's office that the administration should respond to objections to Griffin's appointment by stalling for the remainder of Bush's term.

"[W]e should gum this to death," he wrote, following with a variety of ways that they could "run out the clock." He added, "all of this should be done in 'good faith,' of course."

Griffin specifically suggested using the Patriot Act Reauthorization provision, which gave the attorney general the authority to appoint interim U.S.A.s indefinitely without Senate confirmation. "If we don't ever exercise [the authority], what's the point of having it?" he wrote.

There's also evidence that Griffin understood that he would never have to face Senate confirmation, and even spoke about that understanding with his predecessor, Bud Cummins.

Comments (93)

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 1:37 PM:

Watching the hubris, arrogance and corruption of the last six years burn is justice like Bush's DOJ never could have imagined.

Node of Evil wrote on March 23, 2007 1:45 PM:

Big Crime is kinda like trying to keep a Big Secret -- sooner or later it will come out and the truth will be known. That's why many conspiracy theories that involve elaborate and expansive collaboration between whole branches of government are implausible. In this case, though, there is no secret -- most of the shenanigans of the Bush Administration have ended up getting some ink someplace. The only real difficulty has been in tying it to the inner circle. That's what this particular scandal does -- it shows that Rove, Bush, and other various senior White House staff knew what was happening. And that's why I think this has legs, because there are emails that suggest the existence of more emails. And we have witnesses with excellent credibility (the USAs). In taking down the Big Crime gangs you sometimes have to resort to smaller things, like tax evasion or wire fraud. Same thing here -- on the surface it's about the Attorneys, but deep down we all know that there's more muck because this fits with the larger pattern of Bush Administration behavior. If we nab 'em for Obstruction of Justice, it's just as good as getting them for any of the other crimes that they've committed.

Jan Hammer wrote on March 23, 2007 1:52 PM:

I can't shake the feeling that the placement of Rove's guy in Arkansas had something to do with
Hillary's Presidential bid.

frank logan wrote on March 23, 2007 1:57 PM:

Funny how the Administration's incompetence keeps biting them in the ass.

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 1:57 PM:

Don't worry, Hillary will make Karl pay:

Ed Klein: Hillary Clinton Covered Up for JFK

Just a year out of law school, Hillary Clinton got an expert education in the political art of damage control working for the House Watergate Committee, where her job was to keep President Nixon's lawyers from introducing even worse abuses of power committed by President Kennedy.

So says Edward Klein, author of the runaway best seller, "The Truth About Hillary."

Hillary Diane Rodham was assigned, Klein told Fox News Channel's "The Big Story with John Gibson" on Thursday, "to come up with regulations that the president and his lawyers could not cross-examine any witnesses, thereby stopping Nixon from proving that whatever abuses he did were no worse than JFK's."

House Watergate Committee counsel John Doar - a Kennedy ally - put Hillary in charge of a group of historians who were researching the protocols of impeachment to see whether any previous president had committed worse crimes than Nixon.

"In fact, they found that [past presidents] had," Klein told Gibson. "And Hillary was ordered to suppress that report."

What had JFK done that was worse than Watergate?

"Kennedy had used the assassination of foreign leaders as an instrument of foreign policy," Klein noted - a crime "far worse" than even the most egregious allegations against Nixon.

Doar ordered Hillary to deep-six her report, to "lock it in a safe and never show anybody, including the chairman of the judiciary committee in the House," whom Doar was supposed to be working for.

As with extraneous evidence uncovered by her husband's impeachment probers 24 years later, Hillary's report on the crimes of the Kennedy administration was ordered sealed for 50 years, said Klein - till 2024.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/15/125116.shtml

ronjazz wrote on March 23, 2007 2:01 PM:

hey robin, I love how you grab the two (or 7500) wrongs make a right meme, especially from what, 40 years ago? fabulous work. say hello to Kruschev when y8ou have a chance.

joel wrote on March 23, 2007 2:02 PM:

>>> If we nab 'em for Obstruction of Justice, it's just as good as getting them for any of the other crimes that they've committed.

Oh, but not in their book. They're already test-driving the "no underlying crime" meme.

Jan, I wouldn't at all be surprised to find some supposed Rose Firm shadiness crop up around summer 2008.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 2:03 PM:

"Kennedy had used the assassination of foreign leaders as an instrument of foreign policy," Klein noted - a crime "far worse" than even the most egregious allegations against Nixon

You'll have to talk about it with Glenn Reynolds. ( you know- Instaputz) He seems to think assassinating foreign nationals is a fine policy!

myrep wrote on March 23, 2007 2:03 PM:

I think I've seen reports this week that another document dump is due before next week's DOJ hearings? I wonder if the fill-in-the-gap info starts arriving this weekend.

obsessed wrote on March 23, 2007 2:04 PM:

And yet ... they're STILL getting away with murder as we speak. Letting Griles cop a 5 month plea without testifying against higher-ups? It's an outrage and it's still happening TODAY! Get mad! Write to your senators. This is a grotesque miscarriage of justice.

r€nato wrote on March 23, 2007 2:07 PM:

Newsmax, yeah there's a credible source. Just a half step up from Drudge.

Citizen 92 wrote on March 23, 2007 2:09 PM:

OK, so back to the Patriot Act provision.

The prevailing narrative says that it was "slipped in" in the dead of night, unbenkownst to anyone. It was Specter's office that apparently put it in.

Yet, we've got Sampson and Griffin pretty well versed about the ins and outs of this "emergency" yet "little known" provision -- and are scheming to use it.

With the number of people taking about thus thing it sounds like a relly poorly kept "little known" secret. There is still a conspiracy here waiting to be uncovered.

Node of Evil wrote on March 23, 2007 2:10 PM:

'Oh, but not in their book. They're already test-driving the "no underlying crime" meme.'

A long time ago I was very Republican. Probably due to my upbringing (I grew up in Utah), but it was a different sort of time where the folks I would hang out with were concerned with personal conduct and responsibility. Especially the older people. Anyways, point being that the justifications aren't for our consuption, they're for the base's consumption to demonstrate that these are all "isolated" incidents. Yeah, maybe you just happen to be Italian and from New Jersey and you run an import/export business and people around you end up dead all the time. But those are just "isolated" incidents. "Isolated" incidents run rampant in this administration, they want us to look at all these points singly instead of considering the whole picture. Well, the whole picture stinks, and I know that more and more of their core supporters in my community (Mormon living in California) are starting to see what's really going on. That should have them shaking in their boots.

anon wrote on March 23, 2007 2:12 PM:

Slightly OT, but per Josh's item on TPM about Michael Kinsley not "getting" the attorney purge scandal, I wonder if it may be connected to the Bush admin. purposely bungling the Microsoft anti-trust case. Given what we've now seen with the purposeful bungling of the tobacco case, it does make me wonder if Microsoft is somehow connected to Kinsley's willful misunderstanding.

anon wrote on March 23, 2007 2:13 PM:

Oops, forget to mention that Kinsley is married to the pres. of the Gates Foundation. Sorry...

Scott Lynch wrote on March 23, 2007 2:16 PM:

Sounds like the Watergate tapes that went missing. The more things change they stay the same. Let's bring back Ken Star give him another $70 million and see if we can get some value out of it this time.

Joe wrote on March 23, 2007 2:16 PM:

Robin, do you have a copy of the report from Hillary's time on the committee, or does Klein have the report, or did the pet dogs on the hill eat the report? Oh, I'm sorry, you don't have to provide documentation, do you? You are a right wing flunky.

Occulize wrote on March 23, 2007 2:17 PM:

--
"[W]e should gum this to death," he wrote, following with a variety of ways that they could "run out the clock." He added, "all of this should be done in 'good faith,' of course."
--

I think the scare quotes around "good faith" is pretty much all the reason we need to require mini-Rove, Rove, and the rest to testify under oath.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 23, 2007 2:17 PM:

From The Hill article that Josh linked to today:

"Leahy said he would seek voluntary testimony Thursday from Kyle Sampson, who resigned as senior aide to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as the scandal began to heat up. Committee Democrats have hoped Sampson would avoid a subpoena by coming forward, but late yesterday his lawyer, Bradford Berenson, asked for a delay in a letter to Leahy and Specter.

Berenson said existing travel plans with his family would prevent him from joining his client next week. Berenson also asked that Sampson make his final decision to appear 72 hours after the last of several new document releases planned by the Justice Department and White House."

I hope Senator Leahy advises Berenson to make up his mind whether his client or his family's "travel plans" are more important to him.

Tom Spencer wrote on March 23, 2007 2:23 PM:

There's a ninth attorney who was fired folks. Todd Graves in the western Missouri district was forced out in a suspicious manner in March of 2006. He was replaced by Gonzalez using the powers provided by the new PATRIOT Act by a guy who played ball and pursued bogus voter fraud claims.

Another related thing -- Graves was also being investigated by Bud Cummins for corruption in connection to the fee office investigation.

The plot is thickening folks -- if anyone is paying attention. Anyone thought about calling Todd Graves?

For more on this, go here.

Citizen 92 wrote on March 23, 2007 2:28 PM:

Dan Froomkin looked at the quid-pro-quo angle with US Attorney for Utah Brett Tolman today. It's worth a read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

bp wrote on March 23, 2007 2:29 PM:

There must be no let up. Don't expect the MSM to rat out their pals in the WH. Look instead for lots of pooh-poohing and contemptuous dismissals ("nothing here"),. These guys have their hands in the WH information (spin) cookie jar for so long that they have lost the ability to think for themselves. Their fingers do the talking.

Pompano Pete wrote on March 23, 2007 2:32 PM:

It's now obvious that their entire strategy is to run out the clock. And it is probably going to work for them; those Bushco criminals. But in the process they are going to besmirch and cripple the GOP for at least a decade.

On balance, not a bad trade-off since the next decade is going to be a bitch, and having wacko right wingers around in any position of power will make it that much harder.

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 2:37 PM:

Posted by: Joe
Date: March 23, 2007 02:16 PM

That's funny..the right wingers claim I am hurting their war effort, US Army generals have said I am a leftist un-American because I am damaging the War Profiteers.

The important part of the story is this one:

Sorry it was simple enough for you. Hillary can take out the likes of Rove. They both know the dirty tricks.

Ian wrote on March 23, 2007 2:38 PM:

The only way this whole thing works is if the Provision removing Senate confirmation is in place. There's no way in hooha that Griffen would have gotten past a Senate committee. There has to be some sort of collusion here. Its far to risky to remove people and have their replacements face a more hostile Congress.

draftedin68 wrote on March 23, 2007 2:41 PM:

Kyle the Karl Clone is just plain dumber than a bag of hammers (sorry hammers).

He seems to have been in an idiot race with AG-AG (pronounced like the vocalizations of the aliens in "Mars Attacks!") or maybe Duhhbya.

Or both.

Dan wrote on March 23, 2007 2:43 PM:

Pompano,

Conservatives won't stop being conservatives because the actions of this administration. Both parties are doing harm to this country.

"On balance, not a bad trade-off since the next decade is going to be a bitch, and having wacko right wingers around in any position of power will make it that much harder."

Are you advocated a government controlled by the far-left wackos for the next eight years?

Midwest Product wrote on March 23, 2007 2:45 PM:

Don't forget that, in addition to the 'good faith' message, Sampson also wrote the following to Harriet Miers on September 13:

"I strongly recommend that, as a
matter of Administration policy, we utilize the new statutory provisions that authorize the AG to make USA appointments....
By not going the PAS route, we can give far less deference to home-State Senators and thereby get (1) our preferred person appointed and (2) do it far faster and more efficiently, at less political cost to the White House."

That stands in such clear contrast to the letter cited in this post ("Administration intends to go around the Senate and avoid confirmation of new USAs -- not true") that really no other evidence even seems necessary)

SkippyFlipjack wrote on March 23, 2007 2:50 PM:

To be fair, since this was an email that was sent to a representative of the senate judiciary committee, it's something that should probably have been sent but it's hard to argue that they were hiding something by not including an email that the committee already had.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 2:51 PM:

I would also add that all that hogwash about always consulting with the home state senators is debunked in the same "gum to death" email where Sampson talks about going around senators in states represented by 2 D's and looking to Bush political contacts and/or HoR R's ...just sayin.

RickD wrote on March 23, 2007 2:55 PM:

Robin,
Don't you think "I'm not the worst President ever" is a pretty pathetic standard to aim for, whether we're talking about Nixon or about Bush? It reminds me a bit of the "sure we invade countries, detain innocent people without due process, and regularly torture detainees to the point where they will sign confessions admitting to raping the Easter bunny, but at least we haven't committed genocide, so don't you dare compare us to Nazis!" argument. It's a pretty low standard.

And, FWIW I don't think Kennedy's failed attempts to assasinate Castro were as bad as Nixon's decision to bomb Cambodia. Furthermore, assassination was not Kennedy's invention, but was a plan he inherited from Eisenhower. I do think it's marvelous how Newsmax tried to tie Hillary Clinton into this policy, though. I think, though, if they'd tried a little harder they could have put Bill Clinton on the grassy knoll.

michael wrote on March 23, 2007 3:02 PM:

Folks,

Be prepared for a deluge of Robins and freeps. The best thing to do is to completley ignore the wingnuttery. I've seen this on numerous boards. TPM will get more wingnuts, all we can do is ignore 'em. They are trolling and if you respond, they win. They win by your engagment in their game.
Just don't play. I know it's tough and it will get tougher. They are doing all they can to push emotional buttons. Robins "post" is a perefect example.
I know for a fact that PR firms hire trolls as I'm sure some of you folks in DC know this.

Never argue with a fool.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 3:03 PM:

I can't shake the feeling that the placement of Rove's guy in Arkansas had something to do with
Hillary's Presidential bid.

He did oppo research for Karl. Of course.

wagonjak wrote on March 23, 2007 3:05 PM:

I wonder why there's no mention here of the whole month of missing emails leading up to the firing of the USAs?

I heard Tony Snow repeat twice that "all relevant emails" have been turned over to the Senate committee...this doesn't seem to be the case.

Anyone out there know more about this or why reporters and Democratic politicians are not going after this agressively?

EasyRider wrote on March 23, 2007 3:08 PM:

Never argue with a fool.

Posted by: michael

Right on!

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 3:13 PM:

Folks,

Never argue with a fool.

Posted by: michael
Date: March 23, 2007 03:02 PM

And, you would be the perfect example of one.

My website is on my name. Anyone that has followed what I have done knows that my fiance' and I are responsible for at least one BG General, James Hirai, one Col. Paul Reoyo, and their aide Maj Jude Bilafer being removed from command within days of our website going up. The Right Wing War Profiteers hate me.

I have been on the DOJ and the House and Senate about the USA scandal since last August over Nelson Cohen's appointment as Alaska's Patriot Act USA. John and I have been physically assaulted by a US Army goon in a public store over his lawsuit.

Trolls like you, blatantly mistating who I am is exactly what the Right Wingers do.

Worst. President. Ever. wrote on March 23, 2007 3:13 PM:

"We should gum this to death...run out the clock...all of this should be done in 'good faith,' of course."

Hey, somebody leaked the top-secret Bu**sh** action plan on Katrina relief, illegal wiretapping, and ending the Iraq War!!!

And at the end of their term of office, they'll say:

"Mistakes were made... but we were all too busy to remember exactly who made 'em."

SteinL wrote on March 23, 2007 3:13 PM:

Apparently there was not a gap in the e-mail chain, but a "lull". As every sailor knows, a lull will often presage a storm.
It's simply becoming impossible for the administration to hide its malfeasance any longer, particularly as CYA becoming the catchword.

@ Jan Hammer. I'm certain you're right. Rove wanted to have someone in place in Arkansas that would help bury Hillary should she get the nomination.

Mangifirek wrote on March 23, 2007 3:15 PM:

... there would seem to be some question about Mr. Klein as a credible source re: Mrs. Clinton. At best afford the man the credential of being 'controversial.'

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/06/21/klein/index.html?pn=1

Paul Anderson wrote on March 23, 2007 3:21 PM:

Josh offered a nice list for the reeducation of MSM pundits who don't get why this matters. The one dimension he did not really get into, but I know has touched on before, is that the perversion of the justice system was not an end it itself but rather the means to an even more perverse end, to use the DoJ in a wide-ranging Rovian campaign to corrupt the electoral process itself -- discrediting opposition charges of voter fraud, suppressing Democratic votes, destroying Democratic candidacies, demoralizing prospective candidates, energizing Republican campaigns (e.g., the manufacture and investigation of Democratic dirty tricks, e.g., bugging devices in Republican campaign offices) "disappearing" prosecutions for Republic vote tampering and either the suppression or promotion of a whole gamut of juicy just-in-time ethical scandals for the delectation of US attorneys.

Andrew wrote on March 23, 2007 3:21 PM:

Is it just me, or does this Sampson fellow look like a youger John Ehrlichman?

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 3:30 PM:

Posted by: RickD
Date: March 23, 2007 02:55 PM

What Kennedy did isn't important to me at the moment. The fact that the Republicans see Hillary as this is.

Look at it this way. She was on the team that saved Bill from that evil Blue Dress, she won (and no one died), and, whatever her role was on Nixon's downfall...she was again on the winning team.

I'd hold the vig she will be on the winning team, this time as well. Rove picked on someone at least his match. When this gets to the impeachment stage (and it will) expect Hillary to play an important role. It may not be public but she has been in this game at least twice before.

jdw wrote on March 23, 2007 3:40 PM:

Someone needs to start some Vegas odds on the chances of Sampson in his testimony:

(a) maintaining the Administrion line

(b) rolling over to take the fall

melior wrote on March 23, 2007 3:49 PM:

"Hillary's report on the crimes of the Kennedy administration was ordered sealed for 50 years," said Joke Line.

That does recall the interesting question of what exactly Bush Jr. was hiding by un-de-classifying thousands of pages of his father's archives.

Good to know the next President can reverse it and bring sunshine to bear, so we'll all know it was a perfectly innocent obsession with secrecy he had.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 23, 2007 4:04 PM:

I am reluctantly weighing in on the discussion about Hillary Clinton.

Robin, your initial post about Hillary Clinton and the JFK assassination was a unwarranted distraction that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Yes, you can post anything about anything you want to here in the TPM Muckraker but a post about the JFK assassination from a Newsmax story is not welcome by anyone here who is following the USA Purge story.

I recommend that anyone who wants to discuss Hillary Clinton's association an event that happened fifty years ago create their own blog elsewhere.

I, for one, will complain loudly and vociferously to TPM Management about anyone who appears to be posting irrelevant material as a distraction to the issue at hand.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 4:17 PM:

Tom Spencer@March 23, 2007 02:23 PM

I was interested in what you had to say about Todd Graves who you said was a USA in Missouri. I visited your blog and found nothing about Todd Graves.

Why bother?

EH wrote on March 23, 2007 4:28 PM:

Hillary and JFK? Please give us, or at least me, a break.

immanentize wrote on March 23, 2007 4:36 PM:

I wonder what the email address was for this email -- .gov or one of the RNC server addresses. Perhaps the gap was just everyone chatting on th epolitical lines rather than the govenment servers.

I think it would be wise for the Senate or House to subpoena the RNC for all related emails as they admit that they offer space for official business.

Beny Flores wrote on March 23, 2007 4:39 PM:

Yes it was off topic but, Robin was commenting about HC's role in the NIXON watergate hearings. (And who cares.) Not JFK"S assassination. Now back to the ADA purge!

Nunya wrote on March 23, 2007 4:42 PM:

Robin,

I did look at your website first. I understand where you are coming from. Please understand that the mere mention of a Newsmax article gets people around here suspicious of your intent, and justifiably so. Good luck with your fight. The more folks like you from the "other side of the aisle" that come around to the realization that these are not nice people, the better.

nunya wrote on March 23, 2007 4:49 PM:

From Robin's website:

"The Following representatives have tried to help me and I thank them all:

Sen Herb Kohl

Sen John McCain

Sen Hillary Clinton

Sen Ted Kennedy"

Look before you leap.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 4:55 PM:

Dear ____________,

I didn't realize this annoying thing doesn't allow links. Here are URLs that will get you to the info about Todd Graves:

http://www.correntewire.com/patriot_act_provision_used_to_suspiciously_replace_another_u_s_attorney_much_earlier_in_march_2006

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/

crispus wrote on March 23, 2007 5:02 PM:

Does anyone know what the language was in the requests for documents that led to the emails being produced? I'm curious how they might be read by administration lawyers narrowly enough to justify excluding the ones during the supposed "lull".

michael wrote on March 23, 2007 5:13 PM:

Robin ,

One response then a complaint to TPM managment.

The comments here are regarding the attorney purge.

You have done a good job as a troll, look at all of the responses to your inane comments about Hillary and JFK.

This is all about the attorney purge.

As for you web site I could care less, who even knows if you are "Robin"

I replied to your red herring post, that is the action you made, too late to retract.

Your words, "Robin".

If I tried to prove a point here by citing Wikipedia and Snopes as my "sources" I'd be called out on it.

Geez at least be a sophisticated troll, you're playing in the big leagues when you post here. This is not the Yahoo message boards or FARK.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Google "Logical Fallacies Bingo", you may learn something.

Now, back to the subject at hand.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 5:13 PM:

Robin Boerner >"...What had JFK done that was worse than Watergate?

"Kennedy had used the assassination of foreign leaders as an instrument of foreign policy," Klein noted - a crime "far worse" than even the most egregious allegations against Nixon..."

Ah yes, a story that suggests a lot but does not provide perspective or completeness. A propaganda hit piece. (no surprise there)

The involvement of VPOTUS in "intelligence related" matters goes back, at least, (as pointed out in another post) to Eisenhower & his VP (remember Richard Nixon ?). Does the phrase "Bay of Pigs" mean anything to you ? Mr. Nixon (again, at the time VPOTUS) was up to, at least, his hair line in that "adventure". So stop with the "but he did it" crap & focus on the things "We the people..." can act on. The past is over & done.

anon >"Oops, forget to mention that Kinsley is married to the pres. of the Gates Foundation..."

No, he isn`t.

He is married to the CEO of the Gates Foundation. Patty Stonesifer is her name. Stop with the sloppyness.

"...We don't have news, we have stories inspired by current events..." - Stirling Newberry

daCascadian wrote on March 23, 2007 5:18 PM:

Oooops

That 5:13 post was me. I failed to include my info.

"It's difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it." — Upton Sinclair

That American Chap wrote on March 23, 2007 5:36 PM:

The real issue will ultimately be about the attorney's that were never in danger of losing their jobs, rather than the one's that did. The reason the White House is scared shitless about all of this is that they're terrified that folks will begin to dig around into the cases that the DOJ actually prosecuted...and find that the DOJ was simply being used as a political tool that protected the friends of Bush and attacked the perceived "enemies of Bush". The reason that these clowns act like the law doesn't apply to them is because the law doesn't *exist* for them, save as a way to punish anyone who gets in their way.

Realist wrote on March 23, 2007 5:37 PM:

> http://www.newsmax.com

(snicker)

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 5:55 PM:

"As for you web site I could care less, who even knows if you are "Robin"

Yes "michael" I have my full real name posted, a link to my website where you can find a contact email, my cell phone number and a federal case number. Anyone with half a brain can find out who I am. Which Whitehouse paid troll would "michael" be?

I was answering this:

I can't shake the feeling that the placement of Rove's guy in Arkansas had something to do with
Hillary's Presidential bid.

Posted by: Jan Hammer
Date: March 23, 2007 01:52 PM

Everything you need to know is in that Newsmax article.

Thanks nunya

Drew wrote on March 23, 2007 6:35 PM:

You gotta gets these guys BEFORE they leave office.

The day they leave office, the whole family moves to their ex-US military base turned into safe compound in Saudi Arabia, which is conveniently out of the US jurisdiction and also conveniently close to Halliburton's new corporate headquarters - where all the big parties happen.

Anonymous wrote on March 23, 2007 7:52 PM:

I agree that one of the reasons that Tim Griffin is in Arkansas is to dig dirt on the Clintons. About the only useful nugget in Robin's Newsmax article is "extraneous evidence uncovered by her husband's impeachment probers" is locked up.

If true, the Bush administration has accessed that information and is working on finding a way to release the information by having it disclosed by other sources.

But there are other avenues I am sure Karl Rove et al are pursuing. A documentary, "Factor 8: The Arkansas Prison Blood Scandal", was recently released which claims that, for more than two decades, the Arkansas prison system profited from selling blood plasma from inmates infected with viral hepatitis and AIDS.

The filmmaker, Kelly Duda, is an investigative journalist who interviewed victims in Canada who contracted the diseases, US state prison officials, former employees, high-ranking Arkansas politicians and inmate donors.

Guess who was governor of Arkansas when this alleged scandal occurred?

Look for Tim Griffin, USA-EDAK, to open an investigation into Clinton's role in the Arkansas prison blood scandal sometime next year.

Robin Boerner wrote on March 23, 2007 8:14 PM:

Guess who was governor of Arkansas when this alleged scandal occurred?

Look for Tim Griffin, USA-EDAK, to open an investigation into Clinton's role in the Arkansas prison blood scandal sometime next year.

Posted by:
Date: March 23, 2007 07:52 PM

They are playing a dangerous game that for over 25 years they haven't been able to nail either Clinton to. As much as the Republican smear team would like to.

Do a Google search on mena+iran contra. I won't post any articles from it here since that seems to upset so many that think that posting right wing articles means it's what the poster means. The Mena thing goes right back to the Iran Contra gang...a great many of which are in the Bush Administration today, including the Sec of Defense Robert Gates. They tried to nail the Clintons on that as well, along with Whitewater, etc.

The Republicans got their panties in a twist when the Clintons reviewed a lot of raw FBI files. What is in your RAW FBI file is a lot different then the cleansed version. What Bush doesn't understand is chess. As in check, checkmate.

One thing I do know about Hillary from personal experience. The four representatives listed above from our website who all wrote that they would help my fiance with his Civil Rights violations by the US Army. Notice how they are three Democrats and John McCain. We wrote many. So much for the Republican spin of "supporting the troops, the war, etc". Hillary's office quoted us 18 months or so ago the law about a US Senator not interfering with a fedral lawsuit. Once we filed a civil suit her office could no longer try to help. Compare that to Pete Dominici and Iglesis. Making a call to him AT HOME to intimidate him.

If Sen. Clinton is smart (and my dealings with her office tells me she is) she is ready for every avenue that the Republican smear campaign is going to dredge up. Including a Karl Rove punk hounding her as USA.

The Oracle wrote on March 23, 2007 9:23 PM:

Okay, we all know how desperate the neo-con Republicans were to win the mid-term congressional elections last year, to keep the reins of Congress in their pasty, panty-waist, partisan hands. But exactly how far were the neo-cons willing to go?

Were they willing to subvert the supposed independence of federal prosecutors? Were they willing to strong-arm any recalcitrant federal prosecutors who dared defy Karl Rove's and Alberto Gonzales' intent for them to be the enforcement arm of the Republican National Committee? Were they willing to have any obedient federal prosecutors dump "bogus voter fraud charges" on Democrats before the election last year? To "game" local, state and national news coverage before the election by pumping "fake news" about alleged Democratic improprieties onto the front pages and into the headlines?

BUT, something very damaging to the Republican/Rovian campaign strategy popped up in late September 2006, about six weeks before the November elections: the Mark Foley/House page/email solicitation of sex Republican scandal.

Ooops, all the well-laid, well-financed Republican/Rovian plans were in jeopardy with another Republican sex scandal dominating the airwaves and front pages in the weeks before an election that could well determine whether 2007 would see the beginning of congressional investigations into White House crimes during the previous six years, or Congress would remain in control of the neo-cons and their rubber-stamp Republican co-conspirators.

With this "context" in mind, now look at the pre-election David Iglesias affair in New Mexico. In this case, a U.S. Attorney was being pressured to help push Foleygate off the front pages in October, by prematurely releasing a "sealed" grand jury indictment against state Democrats.

1) Besides David Iglesias, only someone high-up in the Justice Department (Kyle Sampson? Alberto Gonzales?) would have had access to the information about what was in these "sealed" grand jury indictments.

2) How many other "sealed" grand jury deliberations were circulating around the top levels of the Justice Department with Gonzales and Sampson (and other neo-con Republicans) cherry-picking, prosecuting or not, based solely on whether it was a Democrat or Republican under investigation?

3) Apparently 85 U.S. Attorneys participated in this neo-con pre-election scheme (they weren't fired on Nov. 7, 2006) while eight U.S. Attorneys were fired on Nov. 7, 2006, because in one way or another they bucked the blatantly partisan subversion of our federal prosecutors.

Anyway, I'm certain that the Mark Foley sex scandal that peaked in October is linked somehow to the U.S. Attorney firing in November. And this is one of the reasons why the neo-con Republicans are withholding emails from late November/early December, as well as redacting any mention of the Mark Foley scandal from any emails they have released.

Of course, what is really ironic is that Albert Gonzales the other day stated that he wanted to remain the attorney general so he could go on protecting the kids...even though he, and other top-level neo-con Republicans, especially in the House Republican leadership, did nothing for many years to stop a fellow Republican from preying on House pages. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

jack moss wrote on March 23, 2007 9:31 PM:

What it shows is that Feinstein is busted and has questions to answer to.

see here

jack moss wrote on March 23, 2007 9:33 PM:

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/03/22/feinstein-busted/

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 24, 2007 9:39 AM:

@March 23, 2007 04:55 PM

Thank you for the links. Something odd seems to be going on with the FiredUpMissouri.com website.

David Kurtz just posted about Bradley Schlozman. I googled Scholzman without realizing he replaced Todd Graves in western Missouri and the FiredUpMO post about Scholzman came up.

I can access the FiredUpMO post about Scholzman through the Google cache but I can't access the FiredUpMO website directly. I saved the page and pasted the link to the Google cache below.

Will check out your other Graves link shortly.

TAOTL wrote on March 25, 2007 11:11 PM:

Immediate release!

John Mitchell and Robin Boerner have posted some completely insane remarks about a government cover up and have been found to be completely out of their minds. Nothing short of a couple of lunatic! Each day they wake up and peer out the window looking for people hiding in the bushes. Each day they attack innocent Americans with web site posting of government conspiracies and cover ups.

Witnesses reported John Mitchell threatening Tony Erne and his wife with a Gun. The same Witnesses reported the incident to the Local Police and they removed John Mitchell and his gun from the scene of the crime.

John Mitchell had to forfeit his gun to Officer Gum of the Anchorage Police department (Case# 07-8604). He will never get the gun back.

The good people of America now see what John Mitchell and his Bimbo girl friend are truly about, they’re nothing more than a couple of schizophrenics in need of more thorazine.

Robin L. Boerner wrote on March 26, 2007 2:58 PM:

Actually what you posted was a lie. The only witness was Tony Erne and his wife (by officers Gum's own admission).

And, since I am the one that wound up with the bruises on my arm..who assaulted who?

Tony Erne admitted he saw John when he walked into the store, John ignored him, then waited until we were on the other side of the store to come up behind John and grab him from behind. John told him twice to get away and then I got in the middle. Yeah, Tony Erne was just saying high on behalf of MG Charles Jacoby.

John and I are both disabled. John had multiple ear surgeries in the weeks before and after the assault and I walk with a cane. Tony Erne is over six feet tall.

By the way...if John assaulted and threatened Tony Erne...why wasn't he arrested at the scene and why has he not been arrested as of today?

Confiscating ant gun is standard procedure. John had to help officer Gum unload it. You know those flip up barrels can be tricky for a cop that claims to be SF. We will be filing to retrieve John's property.

Maybe because the government doesn't want certain facts coming out about how the US Army under the new Sec of Defense handles Civil Rights cases?

No one has contacted our attorney from any government agency despite his letters to the DA. Nelson Cohen consigliere did make a call stating the Patriot Act USA is not taking a stand. Of course not...doing an honest investigation in the Bush DOJ would get another more Republican Patriot Act USA appointed to take his place.

Robin L. Boerner wrote on March 26, 2007 3:02 PM:

Oh, and after about an hour of questioning and the three cops figuring out that Tony Erne was an operative of Ft Richardson and intereferring in a federal lawsuit....John and I went home....no one was "removed" from the scene.

Perfect recruiting slogan

"Army Strong, Army Iran Contra Hit Squad Sec of Defense Strong!"

TAOTL wrote on March 26, 2007 6:16 PM:

Immediate release!

John Mitchell had to forfeit his gun to Officer Gum of the Anchorage Police department (Case# 07-8604). He will never get the gun back.

The good people of America now see what John Mitchell and his Bimbo girl friend are truly about, they’re nothing more than a couple of schizophrenics in need of more thorazine.

TAOTL wrote on March 26, 2007 11:16 PM:

Immediate release!

John Mitchell had to forfeit his gun to Officer Gum of the Anchorage Police department (Case# 07-8604). He will never get the gun back.

The good people of America now see what John Mitchell and his Bimbo girl friend are truly about, they’re nothing more than a couple of schizophrenics in need of more thorazine.

TAOTL wrote on March 29, 2007 2:13 AM:

The fake lawsuit is garbage I reviewed the following case:
John Mitchell vs, United States of America, et al
Case No, 3:05-cv-00264-JWS
US District Court For the District of Alaska

NOW THE TRUTH

Immediate release!

John Mitchell had to forfeit his gun to Officer Gum of the Anchorage Police department (Case# 07-8604). He will never get the gun back.

The good people of America now see what John Mitchell and his Bimbo girl friend are truly about, they’re nothing more than a couple of schizophrenics in need of more thorazine.

Robin Boerner wrote on March 29, 2007 9:52 AM:

I have posted some completely outrageous comment in the past few years and want to
apologize to this forum. I’ve been under the umbrella of an illness most people do not talk about. The doctors currently have me under closer supervision and back on a regular schedule of routine medication.

John Mitchell and I have been on a roller coaster ride of medication, professional help and conspiracy theories for years. So needless to say we both have illnesses we will, for obvious reason, not post here today.

If you would like more information please write me at:

John Mitchell
C/O
Robin Boerner
Po Box 771765
Eagle River, Alaska 99577

Email: Johnmitchell@makethearmyhonest.com

robinboerner@yahoo.com
Cell: 907-360-0224

Micheal wrote on March 29, 2007 10:28 AM:

ROBIN

It's about time you started to take your "meds" again. Now Scat......

Robin L.Boerner wrote on March 30, 2007 3:01 AM:

Hey...trolls...according to Sarah Palin's office the DA is not looking at prosecuting John but is still looking at prosecuting someone. Who has been downtown for questioning lately?

How do you idiots get security clearances to work in a US Army Command Center? No wonder we are losing this war. No more pysch evals for the US Army? Too short of volunteers to release the whackos anymore?

Have you even noticed you have the only one spamming yourself?

Robin Boerner wrote on March 31, 2007 8:18 PM:

If you would like more information please write me at:

John Mitchell
C/O
Robin Boerner
Po Box 771765
Eagle River, Alaska 99577

Email: Johnmitchell@makethearmyhonest.com

robinboerner@yahoo.com
Cell: 907-360-0224

Robin Boerner wrote on March 31, 2007 10:54 PM:

My Fiancee, John R. Mitchell and I have posted some completely outrageous comment in the past few years and want to apologize to this forum.

by:
Robin L. Boerner
P.O.Box 771765
Eagle River, Alaska 99577
Cell: 907-360-0224

To: All Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Dear Senators,
I’ve been under the umbrella of an illness most people do not talk about. The doctors currently have me under closer supervision and back on a regular schedule of routine medication.

Again If you would like more information please write or email me at:

John Mitchell
C/O
Robin Boerner
Po Box 771765
Eagle River, Alaska 99577

Email: Johnmitchell@makethearmyhonest.com
Cell: 907-360-0224

Robin Boerner wrote on April 3, 2007 6:24 PM:

To: All Senate Committee on the Judiciary

by:Robin L. Boerner
P.O.Box 771765
Eagle River, Alaska 99577
Cell: 907-360-0224

My Fiancee, John R. Mitchell and I have posted some completely outrageous comment in the past few years and want to apologize to this forum.

Dear Senators,

I’ve been under the umbrella of an illness most people do not talk about. The doctors currently have me under closer supervision and back on a regular schedule of routine medication.

Again If you would like more information please write or email me at:

John Mitchell
C/O
Robin Boerner
Po Box 771765
Eagle River, Alaska 99577

Email: Johnmitchell@makethearmyhonest.com
Cell: 907-360-0224

TAOTL wrote on April 5, 2007 3:05 AM:

Immediate release! Robin Boerner found insane by a local court.

April 4, 2007
Today Robin Boerner was found to be completely insane by her very fat and out of shape boy friend.
He has claimed mental anguish, high blood pressure, and a hearing problem due to Robins constant nagging and many high calorie meals she insist he eat.

John has heart desease and will soon die if she continues this tactic of abuse.
Our hearts go out to John (no pun intented)
Good luck John we know how the truth can change lives.

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