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Charles wrote on March 15, 2007 2:32 PM:

--But the question here is whether there is any line between "political efforts" and official duties in the Bush White House.--

You're joking, right?

J. Thomason wrote on March 15, 2007 2:40 PM:

Isn't the legislation requiring the politburo to sign off on all executive action?

J. Thomason wrote on March 15, 2007 2:41 PM:

"there" for "the"

Bearpaw wrote on March 15, 2007 2:42 PM:

"But the question here is whether there is
any line between 'political efforts' and
official duties in the Bush White House."

Well of course there's a line. There's a very, *very* strong line between political efforts and official duties.

Of course, that line is a *connecting* line rather than a line of separation ...

ahem wrote on March 15, 2007 2:42 PM:

I'd already sent a message to Waxman via the Oversight Committee website, noting that the use of external email accounts might hinder committee oversight as well as the archiving of presidential records. Given that Waxman has his eyes on the issue of records, I suspect he'll be interested.

Bcre8ve wrote on March 15, 2007 2:44 PM:

When the Congress spends 140 hours investigating whether Clinton used his Christmas card list improperly while in the White House the Republicans wre o so public in their hand-wringing about the violations - it was a political activity, so it should have been done elsewhere, they said, there should be no political activity from within the oval office, they cried!

But the blending of politics and government from this administration has drawn a distinct silence from those same presidential purists. "We don't know if it was illegal" they say now. Its as if the rule books were chucked out the front door on the first day of the Bush administration. Since there are no rules, they couldn't have possibly violated any of them, right?

This administration needs to be held to the same standards of any law-abiding average citizen, at the least, and out of sheer fair play, they should be held to the same standard they applied to the Clinton administration.

See the link for a run-down.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/11/20/congress_reduces_its_oversight_role/

Mike Conwell wrote on March 15, 2007 2:47 PM:

Let's take a suggestion from the NSA, and just "subpoena EVERTHING!!!"

In reading this, think of Gary Oldman in the movie "The Professional"

pwapvt wrote on March 15, 2007 2:49 PM:

Isn't there a signing statement or exec order exempting him from that?

Another fine write up by Abu Al Gonzo!

mbbsdphil wrote on March 15, 2007 2:51 PM:

Presumably, the RNC has private contractors maintaining their site, choosing s/w for firewalls, anti-virus and anti-snooping protection, copying, and deletion standards, etc.

Presumably, they adopt protocols for issuing passwords, users' authorization level, Records Retention, etc. Presumably, these are all distinct from and possibly in conflict with US Government standards.

It is obvious from Mr. Bush's speeches alone that his time, travel and staff costs for party political efforts are hard to distinguish from his work [sic] as chief executive of the United States' Government. Those "chinese walls" should exist, however, and should be the subject of Congressional investigation. Congress, after all, is the only one allowed to allocate money for the latter, which may not, by law, be spent on the former. Inquiring minds want to know.

KCinDC wrote on March 15, 2007 2:52 PM:

BCre8ve, don't forget all the outrage about which phone Al Gore might have used for fundraising calls.

William Ockham wrote on March 15, 2007 2:52 PM:

Can somebody please tell CREW that Karl Rove is doing it, too? kr@georgewbush.com. Check out the email that Domenici's staffer sent. He cc:ed Rove.

Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 2:52 PM:

Dan Froomkin at the Washington Post has asked the White House these questions:

1) Does White House policy allow White House staffers to use non-White House e-mail addresses for official White House business? Does it prohibit it? What is the policy?

2) Would these e-mails be treated any differently from official White House e-mails when it comes to archiving or subpoena purposes?

3) Does it create either impropriety or the appearance of impropriety that gwb43.com is a domain owned by the Republican National Committee?

4) Do other White House staffers regularly use non-White House e-mail accounts for White House business, and if so, why?

5) Does non-White House e-mail fulfill security requirements for White House communications?

6) If other non-White House e-mail accounts are used, who are the providers for all of the other accounts? (Any others besides the RNC?)

7) Does White House policy allow White House staffers to use non-White House e-mail addresses from their computers, even for non-official business? I'm told that during the Clinton administration, access to external e-mail, including Web mail, was shut off from White House (eop.gov) computers. Was there a conscious change of policy by the Bush administration?

8) Have there been any recent changes in policy relating to e-mail practices, or are changes in policy contemplated?

From Froomkin's column today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

Mooser wrote on March 15, 2007 2:52 PM:

"As a matter of course, the RNC provides server space and equipment to certain White House personnel in order to assist them with their political efforts."

We've corrupted the entire Executive process and we're proud of it.

Punchy wrote on March 15, 2007 2:54 PM:

None of this will cost Speedy his gig. The guy's in a Teflon Administration. Rather, a Just Blame Democrats Administration. Aided and abetted by CNN, of course.

Y'all don't know this yet, but it'll become clear in days--Democrats actually fired all these US Attys, and then later lied about it to themselves under oath while the Republicans were too busy trying to protect young boys from gay pedophiles like Barney Frank.

Sean Hannity is about to tell me so.

Citizen 92 wrote on March 15, 2007 2:55 PM:

Some may recall Rep. Dan Burton's deep probing into Clinton White House e-mail in 2000. They may remember his tears shed when he learned the system's technology broke down.

Nice to see the shoe's now on the other foot.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/03/27/burton.reno (click on the Citizen 92 for the story url)

noshrub wrote on March 15, 2007 3:00 PM:

This is potentially the biggest threat to the Bush cabal so far. I think it's implications are as frightening as manipulating the firing of US Attorneys & lying to Congress. There is a deliberate attempt out of Rove's office, it appears, to prevent an electronic trail of what they are doing. Oh the purging that's going on right now would be interesting to see.

ScottW wrote on March 15, 2007 3:07 PM:

The story that just keeps on giving.

What I can't believe is they let all this information out in the first place. One would have thought they might have fought it long enough to get rid of some of the damning information.

It's not these guy have much respect for the law or Congress.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 15, 2007 3:08 PM:

The entire GOP network seems to be handled by a very small Chattanooga company, SmarTech.Corp.

http://smartechcorp.net/

Search "gwb43.com" and "rnchq.org" for some interesting results:

http://www.robtex.com/

For fun, I sent an email to ks@gwb43.com and asked Kyle how his job search was going. This is what I got back:

Reporting-MTA: dns; mailscan2.smartechcorp.net
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: A2A3E1E928A
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mrspanstreppon@xxxxxxx.com
Arrival-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:38:27 -0400 (EDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; ks@gwb43.com
Original-Recipient: rfc822;ks@gwb43.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; virusscan1.rnchq.org
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 Transaction failed (too many hops)

Anyone know what too many hops means?

C 92 wrote on March 15, 2007 3:11 PM:

Put the informaton in context.

This document dump came when President Bush and all of his senior advisors were out of the country in South America and Mexico.

My guess is this was a kneejerk reaction by DOJ (before they could have the records culled/reviewed by the White House) to get in front of the issue.

The reason the President is upset is probably because the Attorney General fed this fire by releasing these documents.

Zorro wrote on March 15, 2007 3:25 PM:

SMTP mail ( email ) is moved from one mail relay to the next until it finds it's destination. There has to be an upper limit on this or emails could circulate forever in a loop on a misconfigured network. nocb.ior.navy.mil decided enough was enough and terminated the attempt to find the correct recipient. So it generated a return email to notify you that it cannot deliver the message. Your email did not succeed. The system has stopped trying to deliver it.

Blueskize wrote on March 15, 2007 3:27 PM:

Tee, hee. If you think the president is upset, imagine how Karl Rove is feeling today.

Tom Betz wrote on March 15, 2007 3:28 PM:

"Too many hops? usually means a misconfigured address. It's usually the result of a mail loop, where address a is forwarded to address b, which is forwarded to address a (which then forwards to address b, etcetera, etcetera). One of the mail servers finally counts the number of Received: lines and gives up.

ScottW wrote on March 15, 2007 3:28 PM:

This is what happens when they leave a lackey in charge. We get knee jerking press releases and documents in a day. I would imagine Albert had a good stern talking to.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 15, 2007 3:30 PM:

nocb.ior.navy.mil?

pst wrote on March 15, 2007 3:30 PM:

I believe it's actually indicating that the smtp server is not accepting mail from your domain.

bamboo wrote on March 15, 2007 3:31 PM:

Bush & Co.'s nefarious politics and abuses of power are like microbes in the world's oceans. Just when we think we've identified the known universe, new revelations hint that we're only beginning to understand their cosmos.

Ron Byers wrote on March 15, 2007 3:36 PM:

Why not subpoena all the email on the servers of the smarttech company from anybody who works in the white house to or from any of the Department of Justice players in this mess?

nathalie wrote on March 15, 2007 3:37 PM:

If you want to have some fun, go to CoolWhoIs and enter the domain "gwb43.com" ---

ScottW wrote on March 15, 2007 3:44 PM:

I would imagine that all server data is backed-up on another server, or two, and maybe even on tape.

nellieh wrote on March 15, 2007 3:49 PM:

May I borrow a worn out phrase regarding political activity in the White House. "I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!! I just can't see our boy Karl Rove behaving in this manner and avoiding the Presidential Records Act. He is a boy scout. On my honor and all that. It only took him about a year to fess up to Fitzgerald. What did he have to do with inserting the provision in the Patriot Act that bypasses Senate approval of USAs?

Mellifluous wrote on March 15, 2007 3:50 PM:

Froomkin left out one important question:

9. Whose the hell prez are you, anyway?

nellieh wrote on March 15, 2007 3:54 PM:

I went to CoolWhoIs and the only thing I gathered is they are good until Jan. 18, 2008. Priescent.

Extradite Rumsfeld wrote on March 15, 2007 3:57 PM:

ScottW;
Dream on.

- -
At my employer, they block all non-corporate email ports, so you can't even point a pop3 client at an outside mail server. Pretty much every web-mail service is blocked too. It's partially to protect trade secrets from leaving the building undetected. But also, to close off an avenue for mail trojans, etc.

I'm a bit shocked that similar controls are not in use on the White House's network. I'd be less shocked to know that they ARE in use, but these guys pulled strings (or whatever) to get an exemption.

That these guys are using outside mail servers is a very smelly thing. Probably stinkier than anything they've done so far. It reeks of wrongdoing. (incompetent wrongdoing; since there's much sneakier ways of using covert messaging).

On the other hand - it would be a REAL shame if these mail domains ended up on some russian porn-spammer's mail list. Wouldn't it?

i-wonder wrote on March 15, 2007 4:09 PM:

There may be another lead here:

Within most environments where staff deal with classified information (and we can safely assume that the Whitehouse is a major hub for this kind of activity), there exist very clear rules for which computers can handle classified and unclassified information.

As a result, any WH staff who possess security clearances would be accustomed to choosing which computer is used to handle certain types of information. It would be hard to argue that any trained person would be ignorant of why he or she was using any outside servers for sending politically-sensitive government business, such as information about the USA purge.

It might also make a difference which type of computer was used to send those emails to gwb43.com.

We all remember how Rove's office once experienced a little blowback on the use of classified information...

BenL wrote on March 15, 2007 4:14 PM:

Batman: Nothing's sacred to those devils.

bushworstpresidentever wrote on March 15, 2007 4:21 PM:

Time to subpoena the RNC for all those emails, which are not subject to executive privilege. And since WH personnel are clearly using the RNC emails for official duties, there are no other excuses for not turning over the files.

Biggus Diggus wrote on March 15, 2007 4:45 PM:

I suppose we can use the Patriot Act to get all these emails. Wonder why nobody thought of this sooner. Of course they would use off-the-radar email accounts for the underhanded stuff. I bet they have Yahoo and Hotmail accounts, too.

Go get 'em -- before they're deleted.

David in NY wrote on March 15, 2007 4:46 PM:

Seems like they're screwed. Either 1) they were doing official White House business in ways that were gross violations of ordinary security or 2) they were not doing official business, but were using government resources to do so (and, incidentally, the prosecutor purge was political). Seems to me to be one needle they aren't going to be able to thread.

Hanging Judge wrote on March 15, 2007 5:01 PM:

Mrs. Panstreppon, I noted that the RNC domain email address of Scott Jennings was SJennings@gwb43.com, which should be a clue to other potential addresses, e.g. KRove@gwb43.com, KSampson@etc.etc. If you send a message to a potential or questioned person and no such address exists, my computer tells me the message failed. If not, I assume it went to a valid address. I think the non WH domain issue is the biggest can of worms ever. Dean is right, Worse than Watergate.

Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 5:24 PM:

It was the secret tapes that were Nixon's undoing. His word versus Dean's until the hard facts showed that Nixon lied.

With these e-mails, we may likely now know where all of the hard facts of this administration reside. Let's hope we can still read them.

Mad Dog Rackham wrote on March 15, 2007 5:43 PM:

So does Waxman et al now have grounds to subpoena all of the RNC's emails? Or maybe just "all emails pertaining to White House personnel?" And the RNC can't claim executive privilege.

Now *that* would be some fun reading.

How long until some Republican claims that there "is no controlling legal authority" on such matters?

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 15, 2007 6:31 PM:

Hanging J., I tried sending an email to ksampson@gwb43.com and it was returned.

An email to sralston@rnchq.org was not returned. Is Susan B. Ralston still in the Rove loop?

Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 6:40 PM:

Found another @gwb43.com at "Georgia's National Committeewoman" Linda Herren's site (I believe this is RNC)

Note from the Small Business Administration
The Small Business Administration needs several candidates to put on their various boards (National Advisory Council, Regulatory Fairness Board, etc.). If you know a small business owner who might be interested in this opportunity, please email Jane Cherry at jcherry@gwb43.com.

heythereitseric wrote on March 15, 2007 6:43 PM:

Looks like the URL got stripped. It's at her site (lindaherren.org), under the link "E-news"

Mike Conwell wrote on March 15, 2007 7:01 PM:

I would think the FBI would be very concerned that security clearance level items may have been emailed through an offsite mail server.

And to discover how bad things might be, they simply have to ask the NSA (who's watching all of these emails) to get access to said emails and see if any state secrets are being passed outside of official government mail servers.

Secret word "garden" as in, look at all of these emails, ripe for the plucking.

dweb wrote on March 15, 2007 7:48 PM:

Could someone in office in Congress tell me why CREW has to keep filing these things including assertions of ethics violations? Where the hell is Congress itself on this? Oh...I forgot....it would require an investigation of Congressional ethics, and that's the LAST thing any member of Congress wants to get involved in.

I ask again.....why hasn't any Democratic Senator yelled publicly at Arlen Specter for secretly giving away their right to a say in US Attorney appointments without ever consulting any of them....?

C 92 wrote on March 15, 2007 8:12 PM:

Mrs. P:

They could have configured their servers only to receive e-mails from certain domains.

I'm sure they shut the operation down pretty quick, regardless, and are now in shred and burn mode.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 15, 2007 9:38 PM:

C92, I am sure you are right about them being in a shred and burn mode. I was just having some fun in case any of the jerks read these comments.

To further amuse myself, I tried the tracert command at the DOS prompt and entered georgewbush.com. Once the trace left NY, it went to something.alter.net to bellsouth.net to smartechcorp.net.

I don't really have a clue about how networks operate but should stuff coming and going from the WH just travel along the BellSouth superhighway?

Doesn't sound all that secure to me.

wanderindiana wrote on March 15, 2007 9:46 PM:

ePluribus Media researchers have extensive knowledge of the IT backbone supporting gwb43.com; see this story from August 2006 on isupportjoe.com for a brief glimpse of the makeup of the VRWC IT machine.

wanderindiana wrote on March 15, 2007 9:47 PM:

That URL:

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2006/8/9/221126/7489

mbbsdphil wrote on March 15, 2007 9:51 PM:

I assume Senate or House investigators have considered the need for seeking the equivalent of a restraining order, prohibiting the RNC from, eg, scrubbing its servers.

Given that this matter goes directly to the office of the president, delays, to proceed in a southern gentlemanly sort of way, would prejudice any investigation.

Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 9:54 PM:

Mrs. P-

C-92 is exactly correct. One can limit incoming mail access to certain domains at the server/firewall level normally as a spam filter. But one can also limit outgoing traffic and web mail availability by username, so one official can get offsite web mail and the person next to them (or even the same computer) cannot. Many larger corporations do this now to prevent workers from slacking on youtube, downloading clearly personal emails, sending corporate secrets outside the firm, etc. Often you need managerial approval showing your need for internet or outside communication as part of your job.

In the cleared world, it's even more tightly monitored. And tracked. And backed up to offsite locations. Ever since 9-11 and Enron (Sarbanes-Oxley), disaster recovery and forensic science have been stronger industries than ever. Notably discussed however, (thanks to the DNI efforts on information sharing) the email capabilities are quite thorough though across agency, branch, etc., even to the TS-SCI levels. There is absolutely no need to go outside government channels to communicate...unless you are hiding things from the government itself.

Also, previous logic of email name spoofing falls apart when kr was used on a cc: in one of the dump emails, denoting clearly Karl Rove based on the text. Seems like another method to keep prying eyes/search tools from finding Rove as a username. perhaps we need to review things for GB, DC, CR, or numbers like 41, 43, etc. a username can be anything...like Judge....

To go really crazy , how about the justices? All this was happening about the same time as those confirmations, correct? And Harriet sure wanted to be one of those.

At the end of the day, we may see a means of non-government communication across all three branches for political gain; effectively usurping the constitutional authority of our checks and balances system of government entirely?

Pretty much the only way to ensure proper evidenciary retention is to seize the servers and remove the hard drives. The FBI is very good at this and does it all the time at their Quantico lab facility.

Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 10:04 PM:

Just to answer the question...

BellSouth is a Wide Area Network (WAN) leasing provider, which encrypts its traffic point-to-point, so it's pretty secure. This is a standard now. Several agencies and companies also further encrypt their lines using their own point-to-point encrypters called TACLanes, same as the intelligence community uses.

Most agencies can't afford their own lines, so they share previously-built ones and put the encryption devices on to keep their data secure.

wanderindiana wrote on March 15, 2007 10:11 PM:

Domains sharing mail servers with gwb43.com:

bcorker.com
bobcorkerforsenate.com
consultmhi.com
georgewbush.com
gop.com
gop.net
gop.org
gopcontact.com
gopemail.com
gopteamleader.com
govtechsolutions.com
gwb43.com
newt.org
ohiogop.org
republicanvictoryteam.com
republicanvictoryteam.net
republicanvictoryteam.org
rga.org
ricksantorum.com
rnc.org
rnchq.org
socialsecurityblueprint.com
speakergingrich.com
speakergingrich.net
technomania.com
thehuntercompanies.com
thirdwave2.com
thirdwave2.net
winningwomen.com
wrcb.com
wrcb.net

SOURCE: http://www.robtex.com/dns/gwb43.com.html

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 15, 2007 10:13 PM:

wanderi., Thanks for the link. I'm happy to hear people are on top of the technical stuff.

Out of curiosity, I tried whitehouse.gov on tracert and the trace stops at the SprintLink backbone in Reston VA and that's as far as you can go. Which make sense because people shouldn't know exactly how stuff gets to the WH.

Yet you can trace georgewbush.com all of the way through to its destination in Chattanooga.

Putting aside the record retention issue, should these characters be running WH business through Chattanooga via Bell South?

Rhea wrote on March 15, 2007 10:18 PM:

What I can't get over is the ARROGANCE of using something called "gwb43.com" to try to be "off the record", yanno? I mean, if you're going to try to be unnoticed, make it comet789.com or something. But gwb43? It seems like such a display of their idea that they are completely outside of the law. Staggering.

Karl Rove's Unexplained Personal Wealth wrote on March 15, 2007 10:23 PM:

Looks like we could have a little business syndicate here. The RNC's gwb43.com domain is sharing mail servers with clearly other GOP-themed domains.

And also political consulting companies. Is it strange that govtechsolutions.com (a live website) peddles on the GSA schedule? What have they done to earn government business? How did they get their nose under the tent.

My guess, Karl Rove. The perennial consultant.

I would hazard that there's a cottage industry of White House patronage businesses out there.

Which leads me back to another suspicion. Karl could be a millionaire, yet he sticks on with his $161,000 government salary. To join the White House, he sold a million dollar consulting company -- a company that's gone from strength to strength as it vaccums up GOP dollars. Yet Karl can't be a part of that.

As we examine this possible secret network of communications, let's also consider the secret network of money and patronage.

Give this a gander if it interests you:
(Karl Rove's Unexplained Personal Wealth)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/2/10177/11404

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on March 15, 2007 10:33 PM:

Thanks, wanderi. although the link to gwb43.com has been posted a couple of times here already. Try rnchq.org for even more info. rnchq.org is where gwb43.com email goes first.

If you look at the flow chart at the bottom of the page for gwb43.com and rnchq.org, you see trespassers-w.net. I visited www.trespassers-w.net website and if you click on the logo, you end up at coptix.com. Coptix is an "integrated team of innovative design talent and expert programmers".

Does the Coptix team have access to GOP stuff?

Thanks, anon, for all of the info. I hope we find out about this offsite communications system. I'd sure like to know who is using it and why. From what we know now, the setup stinks to high heaven.

Anonymous wrote on March 15, 2007 10:41 PM:

You can always check opensecrets.org and look at the various Republican National Committee line item payments to see if they're paying any of these web services.

powwow500 wrote on March 15, 2007 11:09 PM:

GO TECHIES! I don't understand the techno part of this but I think the use of non- .gov emails stinks to high heaven, and you techies are going to find out some very interesting (read illegal) things in your searches. Thanks for sharing! Keep up the good work.

Slippery slope wrote on March 15, 2007 11:59 PM:

Sorry if this was previous asked (too many blogs to read), but does this non-Whitehouse email usage then remove the cloak of Executive privilege in subpoenas? You can't have it both ways, right?

Ad Absurdum wrote on March 16, 2007 11:14 AM:

A shadow government is entitled to its shadow email domains.

Terminus Est wrote on March 17, 2007 6:12 PM:

How about a bit more info on the email? Are the full headers available? Sure, the mailserver domain name of gwb43.com is great but what is the IP of the actual server? What is its full name? (ie, mail.gwb43.com? ms.gwb43.com?)

Serpent's Choice wrote on March 18, 2007 2:15 AM:

There is a lot more to find here. Mail server sharing is a problem when it involves White House business and classified information, but there is a whole constellation of issues with New Media (aka Technomania) at its center.

I'm posting information as I scrape it up. At the moment, I'm particularly interested in knowing how GovTech Solutions got to be the Department of Energy's web designer.

wanderindiana wrote on March 18, 2007 3:05 AM:

mrs panstreppon: who has access to what is the million dollar question. A small group at ePluribus Media has been digging on this for over two years; it's the question we've never been able to answer, but with this DoJ scandal hitting the page there may be new insights, more people with better understanding looking at the facts. I can't say too much more without breaching confidences, but if you're interested in hooking up with our researchers send an email to leads@epluribusmedia.org. We have a tremendous amount of research done on the whole network that just hasn't made it to the light of day yet.

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For fun: Try this emailadress kr@gwb43.com. KR is of course Karl Rove. Easy, piece of cake. Use your head and imagination !!!!
.
Up to now I didn't receive any message which indicated this adress did not exist or was out of service or out of order.

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Check out the Karl Rove photo in this post about the Pres. visiting a BBQ joint in Chattanooga. That's a Coptix logo! http://coptix.com/

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