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sd wrote on December 29, 2006 9:02 AM:

""Although I did not personally take the pictures, I saw the person who did immediately after they took them and asked for a copy.""

that absolutely cements it for me. i mean, if he was there, and he witnessed it, how can anyone possibly dispute the facts on the ground. these bush shills - they so clever! who are we to think we could call them out, only to have our butts handed right back to us in such devastating fashion..

beachmom wrote on December 29, 2006 9:16 AM:

The photo was never the issue for me. It was the story. The picture proves nothing whatsoever -- a quick 10 minute breakfast and there is only one uniformed person in the ENTIRE photo. Possibly surrounded by security, this meal was not to "meet and greet" the troops. Plus, if you go over to Michelle Malkin, in proving that the photo was real, she posted another picture of Kerry in the same shirt EATING with the troops at lunch, thereby disproving the entire premise of a "shunned Kerry".

John Kerry never went to Iraq for a photo op. Perhaps, this is beyond the understanding of a cynical former Bush White House staff, but for Kerry, a veteran himself, this was the only way to go to Iraq. Show support for the troops and find out what's going on in Iraq. Considering we have already lost 100 members of the armed services this month, maybe it's about time the Right stops using the "troops" to prove every political point (however trivial) they're currently obsessed with. It's both silly and profoundly sad.

richard wrote on December 29, 2006 9:36 AM:

Michelle Malkin has her take on the authenticity of the photograph today, which is along the lines of the report above, albeit with more shrill triumphalism. Ironically, to prove her point, she uses another photograph allegedly taken at the same time which shows Kerry, wearing the same shirt as in the "lonely guy" picture, but this time surrounded by troops. Ironic, no? TO prove her point that all the troops hate Kerry and won't eat with him, she shows a picture of Kerry, surrounded by troops, eating.

wisteria wrote on December 29, 2006 9:43 AM:

I still have my doubts about this picture. However, I never believed the story that went with it in the first place. The whole piece reads like childish gossip with its intent being obvious.This is just more RW Rovish bull.I really wish they would grow up. Anyway,I have seen many other photos from Iraq with the Senator and smiling troops greeting each other and posing together. There were even a couple of Senator Kerry sitting at a crowded table with other soldiers taking part in a conversation.

Legalized wrote on December 29, 2006 10:01 AM:

The far right's "discourse" on Iraq has been reduced to petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office, and an allegedly mythical policeman, who may or may not have exaggerated some violence. Am I the only one who is actually embarrassed for these morans?

Hopefully, they'll keep up their inane attempts to distract us from their own irrelevance through Nov. '08. Until then, the most productive thing we can do is point and laugh.

Dennis wrote on December 29, 2006 10:02 AM:

The photo was photoshopped. The picture is 300×225 pixels. That is not a possible resolution for the camera it was taken with, which has 640×480 as its smallest resolution. One of the properties of the picture is that the Creating Application is Photoshop. So, the question is how much was done to the picture in Photoshop.

chisholm wrote on December 29, 2006 10:05 AM:

Kerry's not alone in this picture. There's someone sitting directly across from him.

But a bigger point here is the effectiveness of the Republican smear machine, and knowing that they're going to trash the next Democratic nominee in the same way they've trashed Kerry, and Gore before him--turning very smart, dedicated and courageous men and women into borderline laughingstocks. I always tell my Dem friends who pooh-pooh Kerry--while crowing about someone they currently like (Edwards or Obama, etc.)--that their candidate is going to be hung out to dry, and by the time it's all over they're going to agree. Edwards or Obama or Clinton--whoever is the next nominee--will join Kerry and Gore in the damaged goods hall of fame.

TR wrote on December 29, 2006 10:06 AM:

"The far right's "discourse" on Iraq has been reduced to petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office, and an allegedly mythical policeman, who may or may not have exaggerated some violence. Am I the only one who is actually embarrassed for these morans?"

The left posting pictures of Bush going out the wrong door equals good fun

The right posting pictures of Kerry being avoided by the troops equals "petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office"

Sky-Ho wrote on December 29, 2006 10:19 AM:

Cheap but expensive mess halls serve in shifts. If Kerry were to remain after a shift I imagine things would look somewhat vacant.(Tho not as vacant as the look on the morons face 9-11)

Kate Henry wrote on December 29, 2006 10:20 AM:

The right posting pictures of Kerry being avoided by the troops equals "petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office"

The point is that the picture does not show Kerry being avoided by the troops. All it shows is that Kerry ate breakfast alone. Perhaps he likes to have his breakfast by himself to contemplate the day.

There are numerous pictures of Kerry with the troops. So what does the right think they are all about. They will probably say that the troops are picked and are forced to pose with Kerry. If that's the case, then I say that is probably the case when Bush is shown posing with the troops.

beachmom wrote on December 29, 2006 10:20 AM:

TR -- once again, there is no proof the troops were avoiding JK. We've got a picture of a quick breakfast that proves nothing. And we've got the decidedly suspect "story" by a former Bush speech writer.

The Bush pic WAS funny, especially since there is video of the event, too, which was attended by the entire press corps. It was shown internationally -- everybody was laughing, because he was trying to escape uncomfortable press questions but couldn't!! Nobody is disputing what happened when Bush was trying to leave. The Kerry picture doesn't come close in comparison. The man's eating breakfast and talking with someone you can't even see in the pic. That's it. It was only the story that made it seem bad, and now we find out it comes from a biased source.

ice weasel wrote on December 29, 2006 10:25 AM:

There really is no argunig about this. It's a Rorschak of sorts. If you see a lonely senator being "shunned" then you do. A single photo with an, at best, ambiguous interpretation, is important to given what is occuring in Iraq then I would suggest that arguing is not only pointless, it's emblematic of the entire Iraq charade. Getting people to see what you want them to see.

Ohso Conservative wrote on December 29, 2006 10:26 AM:

lol you liberals have been burned on the most important issue of the day: a picture of Kerry at a table!

Sure, you have been proven right on some trivial things like no WMD, Iraqis not greeting us as liberators, Iraq not paying for it's own reconstruction, and you won the 2006 elections.

But on this most important issue, a picture of Kerry at a table, we got you!

brendan wrote on December 29, 2006 10:26 AM:

TR:
"The left posting pictures of Bush going out the wrong door equals good fun."

Yes it does equal good fun, because it's a FUNNY PICTURE. Bush wears a FUNNY EXPRESSION. It's FUNNY. And it would have been funny if it was Al Gore, Ted kennedy, or anyone else. "Comedy is a man in trouble", as they say.

"The right posting pictures of Kerry being avoided by the troops equals "petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office."

First, the notion that Kerry is being "avoided" seems to be up in the air. Given the track record of the Malkins and Powerline, I'm not taking anythign they say at face value: once y'all botched the WMD story, not to mention the "greeted as liberators", your credibility went right down the toilet. Sorry if you don't recognize that.

Second, the right is indeed reduced to ""petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office". It wasn't Kerry who screwed up this war: it was George W. Bush. Even the neocons acknowledge that. I'm sorry if it's hard to accept that your guy screwed the pooch, but pointing and saying "no one likes Kerry" has nothing to do with anything, other than to create a distraction from the people that are dying every day, and the person who sent thm there (and refuses to bring them back home, even though we're losing and cannot win).

I understand how it is: I'm an Eagles fan, and spend a lot of time whining about how it's not their fault they lose so many games. "it's the weather!" "McNabb is tired!"

Doesn't change the fact that my team lost a lot of games this year: just gives me a security blanket while I suck my thumb like a baby. Kind of like the 12% still supporting GWB.

Bart Throckmorton wrote on December 29, 2006 10:34 AM:

2 points:

1) Some people earlier said this was taken in the US Embassy mess. (They were building a US Embassy DFAC when I was there last year). If that's the case, they probably are more restrictive than the Republican Palace DFAC. Might not even let enlisted men in, or just would let in soldiers assigned/working with the Embassy. That would account for not a big crowd.

2) When I ate at the Republican Palace DFAC, breakfast never drew as big a crowd as lunch or dinner. Particularly on the weekend. Time/date would be particularly important.

Tim wrote on December 29, 2006 10:34 AM:

"The left posting pictures of Bush going out the wrong door equals good fun..."
chisholm

What's not fun about watching a doofus try and go out a locked door? No one posted the video out of thin air, it was broadcast on National TV. If Kerry had slipped and landed face down in a plate of good old Army chow that would have been funny also. But to take a questionable photo, out of context, and somehow equate that with wide spread military dislike for Kerry is silly at best, dishonest at worst. BTW, chisholm, you should watch Letterman's Great Monents in Presidential Speeches sometime to see what a complete idiot your boy really is. Now that equals "good fun."

Tim wrote on December 29, 2006 10:40 AM:

In my post above, replace the name chisholm with TR. My apologies chisholm.

Biff wrote on December 29, 2006 10:40 AM:

It is idiotic that I'm even commenting on this, but for crying out loud, download the picutre and add some fill light. There's a guy across the table from Kerry. And there's a guy in uniform sitting alone behind him. Are "the troops" snubbing him too?

Michelle Malkin is a sad little woman who lacks any real purpose on this planet other than to propagate hatred. Ditto her pathetic little apostles.

Captain Ed wrote on December 29, 2006 10:46 AM:

Justin,

No matter what take people have on the picture and the story, this post is a credit to your thoroughness and ethics as a blogger. Kudos.

Eric wrote on December 29, 2006 10:46 AM:

The pictue is dog whistle stuff. It echoes the comments I have heard from a local boy currently attending Falwell's university to the effect that his brother and like minded evangelicals in uniform are "pledging to refuse to shake Kerry's hand" and otherwise publically use their uniforms to express their disrespect for non-movement elected officials.

Spud1 wrote on December 29, 2006 10:47 AM:

Perhaps they want to comment on the photos taken of Kerry at the funeral services for EVERY soldier from Massachusetts that has been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. They can compare them to the photos of any funeral to which Bush or Cheney has attended.

Jay wrote on December 29, 2006 10:58 AM:

This whole debate seems rather trivial, at best. Many of you freely admit that this picture means nothing, even if Kerry were eating alone. So why argue about it at all? This is how Dems get savaged by conservatives in the media so easily: conservatives pick something seemingly inconsequential, and get you people to debate about it. It reminds of of a playground argument.

Meanwhile, there's real news out there, begging for real answers. Great job, guys. Let's argue about a picture some more.

getserious wrote on December 29, 2006 11:00 AM:

Posted by: Spud1
Date: December 29, 2006 10:47 AM

Thanks for your comment Spud2. I would add that Sen. Kerry has also been to several funerals for soldiers from New Hampshire, too. Sen. Kerry is a man who REALLY supports the troops,not just for the odd political points or photo-ops, but in all the ways that matter: he has supported veterans, consistently, both privately and through his congressional activities, for almost 40 years, and his commitment to them remains as strong as ever.

James, Los Angeles wrote on December 29, 2006 11:00 AM:

Hmmm curiouser and curiouser. In the update, why would Runkel take a picture of a guy hiding his face in an empty hall if this whole thing wasn't a big setup? And what's with the totally empty hall? The Military Times thing doesn't prove a thing. Those newspapers can be picked up virtually anywhere. But why did he even take a picture like that? Would you just casually snap a picture in an empty hall with some guy hiding his face holding up a newspaper like that if it wasn't some kind of setup?

I smell a rightwing rat. A really stupid, stupid Republican rat.

some guy wrote on December 29, 2006 11:03 AM:

Is it just me, or does this person holding the newspaper seem to be proportionally the size of a hobbit?

John wrote on December 29, 2006 11:07 AM:

I have a different take -- I don't think it's Kerry. The hair style looks wrong, and the hair color is way off. Kerry's hair is quite gray; in this photo the guy's hair is WAY too dark.

Steve wrote on December 29, 2006 11:15 AM:

How odd that in the new picture, we clearly see two empty chairs to the guy's left, but in the Kerry photo, you can't see at all whether anyone is sitting to his left. Why, it's almost as if the original photographer purposely cropped his shot so you wouldn't see whether anyone was in those chairs.

Even so, there's no point in going on about this. To the Right, the picture confirms something they already know beyond a shadow of a doubt - the troops hate Kerry, period, end of story. Even if you proved the photo was a complete fake, it wouldn't shake their belief that the troops hate Kerry one iota, so what's the point? They "know" this fact the same way they know Kerry shot himself to get a Purple Heart.

melior wrote on December 29, 2006 11:15 AM:

The fonts! The kerning!1!

Bill Clinton's penis snuck into the hall and changed the date on the camera!! Dan Rather in the conservatory with the candlestick!

Oh and George Bush going AWOL? How preposterous.

Douglas Watts wrote on December 29, 2006 11:21 AM:

Thanks Justin Rood and TPM for displaying professional ethics and standards in following up and correcting this story. This illustrates why no news site should ever ... EVER ... run a photograph without knowing who the photographer is unless the subject matter is utterly benign. Stuff like this is a libel suit waiting to happen.

DrBB wrote on December 29, 2006 11:41 AM:

God is this ever a stupid "controversy." The stupidosity of the goopers posting it, and the even more stupid stupidosity of people debating its "authenticity." Too late to just ignore it, as is really all its worth. But it is kind of illuminating of the wingnut authoritarian mindset. See, the deal is, we're supposed to view our leaders the same way they view Dear Leader himself. So to show us a picture of Kerry eating alone--like, ohmigod!, a total like loser nerd in the school caf, ohmigod! like toooowtally!--is supposed to somehow fill us with self-doubt or fury or whatever emotion it is that authoritarians feel when the godlike being to whom they have resigned all independent thought is mocked.

For us, it's more of a, "Heh?" kind of situation. Same thing's supposed to happen with references to the Clenis and so on. For them, such references about Dear Leader are scathing and grate on their very souls. For us, more just a "So....?"

So it's really really really stupidulous to get involved in debunking the thing, when even if it is precisely what they say it is, the true and honest reaction is, "Explain to me again how this is supposed to matter anyway?"

Legalize wrote on December 29, 2006 11:44 AM:

"The far right's "discourse" on Iraq has been reduced to petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office, and an allegedly mythical policeman, who may or may not have exaggerated some violence. Am I the only one who is actually embarrassed for these morans?"

/The left posting pictures of Bush going out the wrong door equals good fun./

First of all, "the left" didn't randomly post pictures of the president not being able to get out of a door, and claim that this was dispositive evidence, once and for all of [insert inane talking point of the day]; the entire world saw the president not being able to get out of a door because the entire world was watching him give a press conference. There is no contextual confusion involved with a guy trying to get out of a door that is locked. It was funny when Lucy did it; it was funny when Daffy Duck did it; it was funny when W did it.

Second of all, it is far from clear that the picture establishes that Kerry is being "shunned by the troops." There are clearly people sitting with him; the picture is clearly cropped; there is no context given for the time, place, circumstances, etc. in which the picture was taken. We don't even know who took it. All we have is a random snapshot in time that Michelle Malkin is SURE proves her "thesis" because her thesis is neccessarily correct in any event.

/The right posting pictures of Kerry being avoided by the troops equals "petulant whining about a man who isn't even running for public office"/

Yeah, that's pretty much the very definition of "petulant whinning," especially given that there is (a) no credible evidence that your assertions are correct, and (b) even if they were correct, this distraction serves only your interest in avoiding substantive discussion of what is actually happening in Iraq. It's doesn't matter, yet the conservative hit machine makes this thing out to be as "important" as slightly-more-smoke-gate (another irrelevant story that 99 out of 100 conservative bloggers agree was really really totally important, and stuff.

John wrote on December 29, 2006 11:47 AM:

One other observation about the photo, and whether this guy is really Kerry. I cannot see a ring on this guy's hand. As you know, Kerry is married, and surely he would be wearing his wedding ring.

Of course, I could be wrong about this visual observation -- the screen resolution is not sufficiently sharp to be definitive.

James, Los Angeles wrote on December 29, 2006 11:52 AM:

The whole dustup proves beyond doubt that the Republicans are total morons.

chisholm wrote on December 29, 2006 11:56 AM:

Jay--I don't understand your argument. I think that when the right picks a fight then the left should fight back. Otherwise, this type of thing (the troops hate Kerry, his character as exemplified by his actions in Vietnam is nothing compared to George Bush's resolve, etc.) gets built into the cw/media narrative, and suddenly a more than viable candidate is the object of mass, flippant scorn.

And besides, I thought everybody was really mad at Kerry for not fighting back at the Swiftboat idiots? Wasn't the lesson from that not to take anything lying down?

Mark F. wrote on December 29, 2006 11:56 AM:

Doesn't everyone you know always shoot a few shots of someone holding up a newspaper--in case there's any question about the "authenticity" of the photos? ;)

Mark F. wrote on December 29, 2006 11:59 AM:

PS: Again, the EXIF metadata shows that the photo was manipulated in Photoshop CS2 for Windows.

AllDemsonBoard wrote on December 29, 2006 12:02 PM:

OMG! They actually took a picture of a person holding up a newspaper to prove the authenticity of the photo?

What's the RW calling this: Mealgate?

AlphaLiberal wrote on December 29, 2006 12:04 PM:

I'd still like to know why a communications specialist in service, in the field, is engaging in partisan political activity. How is that allowed?

Pale Rider wrote on December 29, 2006 12:06 PM:

Red tablecloths in Kerry's picture,
White tablecloths in the picture above.

I guess that settles it.

jerry wrote on December 29, 2006 12:09 PM:

I think AlphaLiberal makes an interesting question for followup.

What is Cpt. Runkle's official duties? Was he a Bush Speech Writer or a Clinton Speech Writer? Is a military communications specialist something different than a military propaganda operation?

In what way is it allowable for a military communications specialist to be operating a political blog?

Douglas Watts wrote on December 29, 2006 12:11 PM:

While at one level this "thing" is moronic and childish, it stands as an excellent illustration of the dangers of "gotcha" journalism on the web. TPM jumped the gun last night on this without doing the requisite confirmation backgrounding but did exactly the right thing today.

As for those still questioning the photo's authenticity despite Justin Rood's reporting work above, I feel sorry for you.

It goes without saying that the original claim that this photo "proves" John Kerry is not well liked by military personnel is just plain dumb. If self-described "conservative" websites wish to spoon out this knowingly false, slanderous and non-thinking drivel to their readers, that is a document of their own lack of standards and ethics and regard for the truth.

Pale Rider wrote on December 29, 2006 12:15 PM:

>>>In what way is it allowable for a military communications specialist to be operating a political blog?

You'd be surprised by how many active duty and reserve military officers actually have blogs that feature political content.

This guy is an officer in the reserves--

http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/

BushYouth wrote on December 29, 2006 12:16 PM:

If Senator Kerry was photographed taking a leak by himself, does that mean no one likes him or that no one else had to take a piss at that same time? Maybe we could have a PJ Media carnival about the issue?

Douglas Watts wrote on December 29, 2006 12:18 PM:

Bringing a raw image into Photoshop does not mean the photograph has somehow been fraudulently manipulated. Many photographers routinely use the "unsharp mask" tool to sharpen the image a bit. Most raw images from inexpensive cameras are a bit fuzzy.

Cody wrote on December 29, 2006 12:23 PM:

It's great that you got to the bottom of it. Often we're right, sometimes we're wrong. As long as we're honest about it, I'll keep reading.

Biff wrote on December 29, 2006 12:24 PM:

Say...someone held a newspaper to prove the date. You know who else holds up newspapers to prove dates? TERRORISTS!

jerry wrote on December 29, 2006 12:25 PM:

While I don't mind members of the military blogging, I believe the military have shut down some bloggers while allowing others.

But there is also a difference between a mil blogger whose daily job is information AND disinformation blogging political matters.

Isn't the case that officers (and others?) are not allowed (violate some law or some code) to wear uniforms at political events? How much different is that than Former Speechwriter Cpt. Runkle of the Information Corp blogging about evil dems?

I think these are reasonable questions that TPMmuckraker could address.

Michael Moroney wrote on December 29, 2006 12:25 PM:

Kerry is not alone. There's is a person directly across from him. He's leaning in to hear someone else who is out of camera range.

Makes you wonder who put out this story and why.

Island Blue wrote on December 29, 2006 12:28 PM:

So, you really want me to take the word of a right-wing political hack? No thanks, I'll pass.

The dude obviously took a second photo "just in case" he needed it to somehow "prove" that the "lonely guy" photo is authentic. I'm still not quite sure how the newspaper photo proves anything, but okay ...

Meanwhile 100 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq during the month of December. Makes the debate about who Senator Kerry may or may not have eaten breakfast with seem kind of silly - doesn't it?

Pale Rider wrote on December 29, 2006 12:32 PM:

>>>The dude obviously took a second photo "just in case" he needed it to somehow "prove" that the "lonely guy" photo is authentic. I'm still not quite sure how the newspaper photo proves anything, but okay ...

It's further proof that the guy is lying because of the red tablecloth/white tablecloth difference between the two.

Having been in a fair number of chowhalls, I can assure you--the decor does not change much and I can probably go into a DFAC that I haven't been in since the Clinton administration and see pretty much the same crap on the walls, the same decorations, the same tables and probably the same paint on the walls.

They don't change much--everybody's too busy to worry about updating the decorations. But clearly, there was enough of a change between when Kerry was photographed sitting there and when Runkle took his picture to cast serious doubt on the authenticity.

lyle wrote on December 29, 2006 12:38 PM:

okay, so the right's theory is that kerry is being shunned because of his "if you're stupid you end up stuck in iraq" botched joke.

that's fine.

i hate to say it, but it's true: anybody who's so dumb or stubborn that they still haven't figured out the real meaning of that joke doesn't deserve to eat next to senator kerry.

Mrs Panstreppon wrote on December 29, 2006 12:50 PM:

My all-time fake news story posted by Michelle Malkin was the one about the Egyptian college student in Tennessee who was busted by the FBI for trying to buy a pilot's uniform online and, I think, a pilot manual with a credit card.

The funniest Iraq news story of the year was the one that Katherine Lopez at the NRO linked to about a cruel and brutal former executioner under Saddam's regime. The executioner is currently working for the Iraqi Interior Ministry and feared for his life if anyone ever found out about his past.

So what does this genius do? He tracks down a western reporter, of course, and tells him his life story with the emphasis on what a brutal and cruel hangman he was while in Saddam's employ. To make the man seem authentic, the reporter threw in the fact that he was in his forties and had three kids.

Give an interview to a journalist - yup, that's exactly what I would do if I was a cruel and brutal executioner under Saddam and wanted to keep my past a secret.

I forget the exact comment that f**king moron, K-Lo, made but it was something to the effect of "See, aren't we all glad we got rid of Sadddam?"

What is not funny is that K-Lo, Malkin et al are probably on the government payroll and living large at taxpayer expense.

silence is complicity wrote on December 29, 2006 12:52 PM:

Just came back from the grocery store where the headlines were discussing the three Michigan people killed in Iraq today.

How many of those families are worried about what Kerry ate or who he ate with? How many families of soldiers are hoping that Senator Kerry's diplomatic meetings will bear fruit so that their loved one will come home?

I'll give you one guess!

Diplomacy knows no party when a loved one is involved. And breakfast company means nothing when it could be your child arriving home in a coffin.

Trumpeteer wrote on December 29, 2006 12:55 PM:

I'm sorry--why is John Kerry important anymore? Why do my fellow liberals waste their time trying to defend or protect the guy? He was a so-so presidential candidate who lost and is old news. The fact that conservatives continue to attack him only shows that it's the only issue they can still win on. It's like a wannabe school bully with no real power who can only get away with picking on the scrawny kid three years younger than he is.

This reminds me of an Onion headline a month after the last presidential election, where the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth were continuing to hound Kerry about whether he had "really" earned that free tenth cup of coffee.

Quite frankly, defending Kerry against these weak neo-con character assassinations has only ever hurt the Democratic cause. And if there's a reason to keep doing it, I can't see it. Let Kerry sink quietly into his well-deserved obscurity and Republicans will be unable to score any more points off of him.

Bart Throckmorton wrote on December 29, 2006 1:03 PM:

So Malkin's whole theory with the original photo is that the patriotic troops are shunning Kerry. In order to prove that Kerry was in Iraq and was shunned by the troops, she posts a photo of Kerry eating with a bunch of troops who are not shunning him.

I'm waiting for the next post. The one about how these guys were forced at gunpoint to have lunch with Kerry.

Should be up in the next two hours.

Bart

Deadeye Dick Cheney wrote on December 29, 2006 1:03 PM:

"Bringing a raw image into Photoshop does not mean the photograph has somehow been fraudulently manipulated. Many photographers routinely use the "unsharp mask" tool to sharpen the image a bit. Most raw images from inexpensive cameras are a bit fuzzy.

Posted by: Douglas Watts
Date: December 29, 2006 12:18 PM"

So what you're saying is that the guy took a picture with his $129 camera that he was too inept to set the time/date on, but then he used $500 image manipulation software to improve the quality? Sorry...that's just a wee bit too much of an implausible alternative explanation!

Dennis wrote on December 29, 2006 1:21 PM:

The new picture isn't an original picture because it's the wrong size - 300 x 225 pixels (this assumes that TPM didn't resize the picture). It too was brought into Photoshop for at least a reduction in resolution. Where are the original files for the two pictures?

Wife of retired Navyman wrote on December 29, 2006 1:28 PM:

Posted by: Ohso Conservative

"some trivial things"

Sir, if you think being lied into a war is trivial, then you Sir, have never worn the uniform. 100 soldiers died this month, would you like to tell their loved ones that they died because of "some trivial things" ?

Dennis wrote on December 29, 2006 1:29 PM:

So what you're saying is that the guy took a picture with his $129 camera that he was too inept to set the time/date on, but then he used $500 image manipulation software to improve the quality? Sorry...that's just a wee bit too much of an implausible alternative explanation!

Posted by: Deadeye Dick Cheney
Date: December 29, 2006 01:03 PM

What Runkle says happened is a soldier with his $200 camera downloaded the picture to his PC and then gave Runkle a copy of the file. Runkle, a public relations pro, then loaded the picture into his $500 copy of Photoshop to reduce the picture to a resolution appropriate for web pages. At some point, the file name was changed. My guess would be that the Runkle has the original photos with the original file names and his reduced resolution photos with file names chosen by Runkle. I want to see the original photo files.

some guy wrote on December 29, 2006 1:48 PM:

Posted by: Ohso Conservative

"some trivial things"

Sir, if you think being lied into a war is trivial, then you Sir, have never worn the uniform. 100 soldiers died this month, would you like to tell their loved ones that they died because of "some trivial things" ?

Posted by: Wife of retired Navyman
Date: December 29, 2006 01:28 PM
..................................

uh, i think that "ohso conservative" was a parody troll. sense of humor doesn't need to be checked at the door.

Passing Shot wrote on December 29, 2006 2:07 PM:

"Sir, if you think being lied into a war is trivial, then you Sir, have never worn the uniform. 100 soldiers died this month, would you like to tell their loved ones that they died because of "some trivial things" ?

Posted by: Wife of retired Navyman
Date: December 29, 2006 01:28 PM"

Mrs. Navyman -- I think you missed "Ohso Conservative's" sarcasm. No one here is trivializing the lives of our servicemen and women. What's pathetic, and what Ohso Conservative was trying to highlight, is that whilegood people of all political stripes are concerned about the lives of our military personnel, the neo-conservatives with the loudest voices waste time on silly issues like Kerry eating breakfast.

The Wurlitzer wrote on December 29, 2006 2:56 PM:

So what you're saying is that the guy took a picture with his $129 camera that he was too inept to set the time/date on, but then he used $500 image manipulation software to improve the quality? Sorry...that's just a wee bit too much of an implausible alternative explanation!

Well, I heard from Michelle Malkin that John Kerry volunteered to join the Navy, volunteered to go to Vietnam, volunteered for a 2nd tour in Vietnam on a Swiftboat, then shot himself several times so he could recieve Purple Hearts, which in turn would get him discharged from the Navy.....See, now it makes perfect sense, doesn't it !

B wrote on December 29, 2006 3:13 PM:

""Justin,

No matter what take people have on the picture and the story, this post is a credit to your thoroughness and ethics as a blogger. Kudos.

Posted by: Captain Ed"""

I can see why you would find that noteworthy. Try it sometime.

In a timely manner too, not like the right who either a)feeds their cult a bunch of lies and NEVER corrects them or B) has one outlet whisper the correction after days of pounding the lies into their cult's minds and then quickly move onto the next lie.

You ever listen to religious right radio? What a damn horror of propaganda and lies that are NEVER corrected that is. But it helps to build the right's base. The right has lying down to point where they not only cannot tell the truth if they see it, they have created an alternate reality for their followers. The right is full this kind of bullshit and it is national disgrace - no wonder the nation is going to hell and hated the world over.

Would if Malkin, O'reilly, Rush, Savage, Hannity, and all the mind conditioners on the right did corrections or clarifications honestly? I mean, if they were capable of it. hahah They would have one day of misinformation, propaganda and bullshitting lies and one day of correction - repeat.

Remember when the right spent two weeks "outraged" over the NYT printing a picture of Rumsfeld's house? That went on for days. Now tell me how many times the right's cult was ever told Rumsfeld and the SS ok'd that photo being published? Look how far the facsist bastards took that, harassing those involved.

Does anyone think this latest horseshit - the cult conditioning their cult to think Kerry trashed the troops or this photo BS - is just the right trying to make their cult feel ok about about casting asperions on every Purple Heart and medal recipient this nation has ever had just to keep the cult fed lies and keep them in power? The right doesn't give damn about this country, only their cult. These are people who take war heros and turn them into traitors overnight and think that is good. They are wreckless and have have shown zero ability to see the future ramifications of their actions. Like Bush and the Iraq war, just shoot and figure it our later. Open the gates of hell? Who cares? We are tough. We are patriotic and those who disagree are traitors. Conservatives are blind Fools.

The reason they can do this over and over and over is they follow what the moonies call "heavenly deception." That means it is OK to lie because you and you alone are doing God's work - the rest of the world (read: liberals and anyone who disagrees) are of Satan and therefore lying is OK.

That is how they rationalize it.

"We vs. they" - irrational fears...constant deceptions...all cult bullshit.

Ted wrote on December 29, 2006 3:24 PM:

quoting: http://www.bartcop.com/1899.htm

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee."
-- Ann Coulter

You know who I feel sorry for? Michelle Malkin.

She wants to be the most quoted, mean-spirited, harpy radical right-wing bitch in the country
but we already have one of those so Michelle is having trouble finding her niche.

end quote

chisholm wrote on December 29, 2006 3:31 PM:

Trumpeteer--

John Kerry isn't important anymore because of stories like this, big and small, which are part of the Rove/RNC goal of ridiculing him until he's been rendered politically neutral. It's what they did to Gore, and it's what they'll do to the next Democratic nominee. It's the way they attack strong Democrats with strong resumes, and has lead to the preposterous state of American political values.

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Posted by: some guy
Date: December 29, 2006 01:48 PM

Posted by: Passing Shot
Date: December 29, 2006 02:07 PM

Thanks for pointing that out,someguy and Passing Shot. With 100 more soldiers killed this month I am in no mood for sarcasm.

As for Michelle Malkin and the rest of the delusional right, there will be a special place for them in hell, she is and they are truly pathetic and lame.

MadMike wrote on December 29, 2006 4:17 PM:

So, who cares if Kerry slips into the mess hall for a quick breakfast. All these people need to get a life. Captain Runkle needs to quit making wrinkles in the seat of his pants and get out there and lead someone.

Besides, Kerry is so 2004 and this is all the "good news" from Iraq that all these wingnuts can find.

defender of truth and justice wrote on December 29, 2006 4:38 PM:

Trumpeteer,

We defend him because the guy is fighting for us--every day and despite those like you who want him to lay down and let us sink further into the rathole that Bush and the Republicans have created for us.

We defend him because nobody else is doing the diplomacy.

We defend him because when a person gets attacked by vile lies and the people who spread more lies, then we are standing up for morality--right and wrong and justice.

We defend him because like it or not, the next good guy running for President could be as good and kind and flawed as Kerry is and doesn't deserve to be treated the way people have dumped on Kerry.

seb-mel wrote on December 29, 2006 5:42 PM:

The funny thing to me is that malkin is an affirmative-action coulter -- and she doesnt even realize it. doh.

Michael Stackpole wrote on December 29, 2006 7:27 PM:

The picture of Kerry eating alone does not surprise me--and I find it significant of nothing other than tightness of schedule and human nature. The schedule thing is logical: he's likely scheduled for every second of the day, and schedules for trips like that are often made up by folks who never travel further than the nearest Starbucks. On a book tour I was once booked to arrive in a hotel at midnight, get up for 6 am drive two hours to a book signing at a military base. That's not much time for anything save some sleep, a splash-and-dash, and a bite grabbed on the run.

The human nature part is also logical. I attend a lot of conventions where I am a guest and regularly interact with tons of people. I also eat a lot of meals alone. If folks see you alone, they assume you want to be alone and they leave you alone. Moreover, in Kerry's case, he could have had an aide fending folks off because of the tight schedule.

Two points are important:

1) Kerry can be in Iraq without having to come in secret. The fact that he's willing to be there and sit down with soldiers is great--not for him, but for them. They know someone cares.

2) As much as this whole controversy might seem silly to some, unless we fight back against the right wing, their framing of the topics becomes the framing other accept. You have to fight back hard and quick and let them know they're in a fight. They will tire of actually having to work and will go away.

fedup wrote on December 29, 2006 7:35 PM:

A statement from Frank Lowenstein ( Kerry staffer and Security Adviser) who was with John Kerry and at the table. Michelle Malkin, CPT. Benjamin G. Runkle and Scott Haneen, your credibility sinks even lower.

Statement of Frank Lowenstein

“It’s a weird feeling seeing this photo of Sen. Kerry debated and decoded like some artifact out of the DaVinci Codes. It’s strange to me because I was there when the photo was taken. I traveled with Sen. Kerry throughout his Middle East trip. I’m his foreign policy staffer. Myself and Major McKnight were sitting right there when this photo was snapped.

Snubbed? Alone? Hardly. Sen. Kerry isn’t eating alone. In fact that photo is at an off the record breakfast meeting Senator Kerry conducted early Sunday morning with the very real Marc Santora of the New York Times Baghdad bureau and his younger colleague from the newspaper.

The man shown in the green shirt across from Sen. Kerry is Marc Santora. Right after that interview was completed, Senator Kerry videotaped a message expressing his and the country's support for the troops, to be shown on the armed services network in Iraq. Just the night before, Sen. Kerry was in that very same mess hall at a table where he ate dinner with about 10 U.S. soldiers.

Additionally, Senator Kerry spent nearly a day and half (out of two days in Iraq) outside of the Green Zone because he felt strongly that he wanted to hear from troops on the front lines. On Saturday morning, he greeted U.S. soldiers in Basra, and also met many British troops while he was there. On Saturday afternoon, he flew to FOB (Forward Operating Base) Warhorse, where he had a town hall meeting with over 100 soldiers. On Sunday morning, he was briefed by U.S. commanders at a training camp for Iraqi security forces. On Sunday evening, he traveled to another FOB where he had a long dinner in the camp mess hall with soldiers, including many from Massachusetts.

These troops are nothing short of amazing, and my boss knows that with every fiber of his being. He’s a combat veteran. He’s been there.

Sen. Kerry knows that if you’re in public life, you’re going to have things you say and do taken out of context, sometimes photos even. It goes with the job. I just wanted to set the record straight about this photo not just because I was there and I know the truth, but because Sen. Kerry enjoyed his time and his conversations with the troops, and I hate to see anyone try to make some political hay out of all this or pretend this photo is something it's not.”

Truth always prevails.

Deadeye Dick Cheney wrote on December 29, 2006 7:51 PM:

chisholm -

Not just Kerry and Gore. They performed the same smears on Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Murtha, Dick Durbin, Sandy Berger, Richard Clarke, Ted Kennedy, Michael Moore, Barbra Streisand, Susan Sarandon, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Cindy Sheehan, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Even as we speak, they are mobilizing the smear machine to slander Barack Obama. In fact, the only Democrat wo speak out in recent years that they haven't tried to smear is Holy Joe Lieberman. I suppose it the right wing's lack of belief in their own policies. No debate on the merits, just smearing the opposition.

Dave wrote on December 29, 2006 11:08 PM:

Wait until the photos of smilling happy soldiers flocking around Kerry are shown, that will shut em up!

B wrote on December 29, 2006 11:11 PM:

"Not just Kerry and Gore. They performed the same smears on..."

These are very un-American and VERY un-Christian people.

They are not crazy or stupid. They are a cult. Cults smear anything that is critical of them - they have conditioned their followers away from the truth or else they have no followers and they know it - just like a cult.

Just a Thought wrote on December 29, 2006 11:17 PM:

I've taken a lot of photos of NYC politicians at public events, parades, etc.

Hillary Clinton and Al Sharpton both move around surrounded by big entourages/security details.

Anthony Weiner and Chuck Schumer don't seem to need much security at all. I've got a bunch of photos of both of them marching in various parades all by themselves. The only photos I've got of Hillary are quick grab shots when her goons left enough space for me to actually see her.

Does this mean Hillary is more popular than Schumer? Or does it mean she takes the time to create that illusion around herself? Or does it mean she's worried about security.

Bush, in Iraq, would have been, like Hillary, surrounded by security goons and handpicked troops to kiss his ass. Kerry wasn't. So what? Bush is the president and Kerry's only a Senator. Means nothing.

zoombwaz wrote on December 30, 2006 4:35 AM:

A distinction needs to be made between what the picture actually shows and what the right tells us it shows, as the latter is an interpretation of the photo based on information not inherent in the photo itself, which only shows Kerry eating with no soldiers present. It doesn't say why. It doesn't show other tables fullwhile his is empty, so we are expected to accept three extremely unlikely premises: 1. There are no Democrats in this unit. 2. the soliers in this unit are all stupid enough to buy into the White House's smears of a decorated hero. 3. This all moron, all-GOP unit is so revulsed by Kerry that they will risk missing breakfast in a war zone to avoid being in the same tent as he is. Preposterous. And as a bonus, the corroborating witness was a staffer in the Bush White House, which has lied about this war from the outset.

"Lord of the Rings" didn't require that much suspension of disbelief.

Do I have a more plausible theory? Sure. He got there before or after the normal breakfast serving times, and they fed him anyway, as a favor granted to any visiting U.S. Senator.

Finally, the retards on the right, in order to quell doubts about the authenticity of the photo, publish another with him wearing the same shirt at lunch, surrouneded by soldiers. Roll that over in your mind and savor the foolishness of a confederancy of dunces in showing a photo that simultaneously establishes the authenticity of their first while refuting its alleged theme, since he is conspicuously not being avoided at lunch.

How did we ever let these stupid mofos take over?

greg wrote on December 30, 2006 5:54 AM:

Nice website folks. Please allow me to buck the trend and politely slam the stentorian Senator for Massachusetts.

Come on, let's face it, after what he said, why would any soldier want to give him the time of day? regardless if his "joke" was inadvertent, which I'll grant. Actually, I was surprised he wasn't fragged while he was over there. I mean what nerve to go to Iraq after such a bone-headed misstatement. The man is politically tone-deaf and a schmuck too boot.

Face it, Kerry is not a regular human being, he's a Boston Brahmin who feels more comfortable sucking up to "foreign leaders" that he meets at 2nd Ave restaurants. He was the worst candidate you Dems could have nominated. What kind of "war hero" meets with the Communist regime in Paris as some sort of half-assed peace pilgrim during the height of armed conflict?

If he didn't go to Vietnam for the express purpose of getting his bona fides in order to join the anti-war movement (and a date with Jane Fonda), then I'm Spongebob.

oofda wrote on December 30, 2006 9:17 AM:

One would further question Captain Runkle, a serving officer on active duty in Iraq and former Presidential speechwriter and DoD appointee of Doug Feith interjecting himself into partisan political affairs. This is totally improper, and as a military public affairs officer, he is treading on dangerous ice.

Additionally, CPT Runkle now says that he "was only joking" and didn't say Kerry sat alone- he orignally wrote "Despite the fact that the MP unit responsible for Green Zone security is an Army Reserve unit from Massachusetts, not a single soldier went to sit with him. " However the remainder of the photos (provided by Ms. Malkin) show soldiers sitting with him. Clearly Runkle has an agenda and it has noting to do with the military position that he is occupying. As a former JAG, I can say that this is improper and Runkle should cease and desist.

Deadeye Dick Cheney wrote on December 30, 2006 11:11 AM:

---------------------------
These are very un-American and VERY un-Christian people.

They are not crazy or stupid. They are a cult. Cults smear anything that is critical of them - they have conditioned their followers away from the truth or else they have no followers and they know it - just like a cult.

Posted by: B
Date: December 29, 2006 11:11 PM
---------------------------
You are 100% correct. The scary part is that cults are often successful in convincing their members that death is preferable to losing to the enemy. All of their eschatological 'rapture' talk scares the poop out of me. We need to get their dirty, crooked little fingers off of the levers of power ASAP.

---------------------------
If [Senator John Kerry] didn't go to Vietnam for the express purpose of getting his bona fides in order to join the anti-war movement (and a date with Jane Fonda), then I'm Spongebob.

Posted by: greg
Date: December 30, 2006 05:54 AM
---------------------------
What with all of James Dobson's concern about Spongebob allegedly being gay, it becomes apparent why you would be offended if Senator Kerry had been seeking a date with Jane Fonda. It also becomes apparent why you've been obsessed with heterosexual oral sex for the past 8 years. BTW, nice teeth, Bucky.
http://www.nicoles-funworld.de/windowcolor/Malvorlagen/spongebob/spongebob-03.jpg

Jack Neefus wrote on December 30, 2006 5:46 PM:

It appears that Kerry is intently listening to someone across the table and to his left (and has another companion directly across the table). The fact that the image appears to have been cropped (pointed out above based on pixel count) suggests that Kerry's interlocutor was originally in the picture but detracted from the storyline.

Ipso wrote on December 31, 2006 10:48 PM:

Enjoyed reading all the above but WTF. The story started with an ex-bush-speech writer who is now in Iraq, as a Captain in the Army, and possibly so far away from the war troops anyway. Whatever a bush speech writer could write, you will typically find that the opposite is more closely related the truth. I do believe the truth is more like our troops are actually quite significantly more disgusted with bush than they might be with Kerry. So there you go.

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